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    Re: Grizzly Bear Engagement Opportunity! DO IT!

    Skepticism is easy when it comes to the government. When more like minded people contribute to a cause, however futile it may seem, there is a record of it. It might not be specific, but the overall trend might be tracked and later pointed to and questioned. The hope being that those in power, if in the wrong, will be shown to be so be the burden of evidence laid at their feet. His current provincial gov has been embarrassed multiple times on multiple issues. The record doesn’t disappear and they will be held to account at some point when the people speak. I encourage everyone to fill this out and if you are struggling to get through this very biased questionnaire, refer back to the multiple frameworks our various dedicated wildlife groups have laid out.

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    Re: Grizzly Bear Engagement Opportunity! DO IT!

    Done despite being skeptical about the outcome! Thx
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    All a guy needs to do is look at Washington state. Hunters didn’t show up, they sat on the sidelines and didn’t engage in anything. Now look where that got them. Doesn’t matter how skeptical you are and how much you doubt it’s going to make a difference, make your voice heard every chance you get, or we’ll be the next place to lose hunting entirely. It’s already happening little by little, because nobody ever shows up.

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    Re: Grizzly Bear Engagement Opportunity! DO IT!

    Darksith Thanks for the cheat sheet ! I will read it and fill out the form !
    Arctic Lake
    Quote Originally Posted by Darksith View Post
    Here is a cheat sheet. Yes I read the whole thing, several groups (WSSBC, GOABC, BCWF) have put together responses to help their membership engage even if they don't have the time to read the entire framework. Also remember a "framework" is high level, it doesn't spell out how to do it, when to do it, where to fund it from...these are some of the objections we have to it. The government is putting out a lot of "frameworks" but will they get past that to action?

    More help to complete the questionnaire:
    Do you feel 2-7 provides enough info...Yes
    Are there any threats missing?...No
    How effective is the current approach? Not so much...things to ponder. What is the government doing? Are they holding industry accountable, are they mandating seismic lines be decommissioned, or roads, are they spending money to reduce road ans rail mortality? Are they doing anything?
    Guide and advise on methods...strongly agree
    Provide ecosystem based approach...strongly agree
    Support reconciliation...neutral or agree, they won't even contemplate any disagrees
    Promote safe and respectful coexistence between bears and people...can bears be respectful? It's a hilarious question, I disagree
    Information, educate and be transparent...isn't this always good? Agree
    Tracking of human caused bear mortality...moderate priority
    Local planning...high priority
    Interjurisdictional planning...does Vancouver even deserve input? Low priority

    Population inventory...extremely high priority
    Trend monitoring (science based conservation)...extremely high priority
    Habitat protection and restoration...extreme or high priority
    Species and population stewardship...extremely high priority
    Hunting....extremely high priority
    Viewing...moderate priority, maybe less, so few areas this is feasible.
    Are there aspects missing?...there are several first nations that want to hunt gbears. Have they been consulted? Have Hunting groups been consulted?
    Overall how is this framework? Could have more specific goals for population densities, could have more.specific timeliness, do we want gbears in every corner of the province, are there places we want more or less, is anyone going to fly in and hike for 10 days to maybe see 1 bear? If not why wouldn't we want those areas open to Hunting...just some thoughts
    Please note your level of support...I support it, BC being able to stand by hunters and support that activity because we have such strong healthy monitored and managed populations should be something to be proud of and stand behind not fight against. We need to put a value on all our wildlife similar to every other jurisdiction in North America and its time the government recognizes the value our diverse wildlife brings to our province. It's time to start managing to increase not managing to 0
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    Re: Grizzly Bear Engagement Opportunity! DO IT!

    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic Lake View Post
    Darksith Thanks for the cheat sheet ! I will read it and fill out the form !
    Arctic Lake
    Read through the Wild Sheep Societies Cheat Sheet as well if you care too. Its pretty similar, our letter to the Minister also is a quick read that sums up a stance I feel all hunters and conservationists can get behind. Was posted above but here's the link again. A quick review of my personal, and the 2 documents from WSSBC will give you a pretty good idea of what this framework consists of.

    https://www.wildsheepsociety.com/actnow/
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    Re: Grizzly Bear Engagement Opportunity! DO IT!

    Great work to keep this topic on top of our minds Darksith. I have shared this news with every hunter (and sympathetic non hunter) I know and wrote the 8th down on my calendar when you initially brought it up a couple weeks ago and will absolutely make sure to add my input by the 7th.

    Thanks for taking the time to do what you're doing
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    Re: Grizzly Bear Engagement Opportunity! DO IT!

    Done 10 days ago, lots of words small screen just getting over the headache but done!

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    Re: Grizzly Bear Engagement Opportunity! DO IT!

    Thanks for summarizing it all. Completed as well.
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    Re: Grizzly Bear Engagement Opportunity! DO IT!

    Submitted feedback

    Thanks for the summary Darksith.

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    B.C. mulls return of grizzly hunting in controversial report

    B.C. is considering a plan to reinstate grizzly hunting seven years after public outcry pushed the province to ban the controversial sport.


    Grizzly hunting was banned in 2017 following intense opposition from conservation groups. The new report takes aim at that decision, stating the ban was not made for conservation purposes but instead reflected “many British Columbians’ ethical or moral opposition towards grizzly bear hunting.”


    B.C. has one of the highest concentrations of grizzlies across North America, with an estimated population of 15,000.


    https://www.nationalobserver.com/202...versial-report
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVNNhzkJ-UU&feature=related

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