Anyone on the fence about a new firearm, do it before May 18.

[hawk-i]

Who Cares...

That question was more aimed at those who wasted their vote last time around in the so called name of "principle".

[IronNoggin]

That question was more aimed at those who wasted their vote last time around in the so called name of "principle".

Thank You. Appreciate the clarification.

No Creep...

Long Gun Registry 2: The Trudeau Edition

Justin Trudeau repeatedly claimed he would not recreate a “long-gun registry.”

Instead, Trudeau forced gun stores to create it for him through Bill C-71, An Act to amend certain Acts and Regulations in relation to firearms.

That new long gun registry comes into effect on May 18, 2022, via two new Orders in Council. Those OiCs bring sections 5, 7, 9 to 11, subsections 13(12) and (3) and section 14 of Bill C-71 into force.

Until the regulations are published, presumably before May 18th, it’s impossible to know how or even if this harebrained Liberal scheme will work.

Here’s what we know so far.

Criminals Need Not Apply

These regulations apply only to Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL) holders.

Drug dealers, gang members and violent criminals, including those under a Firearms Prohibition Order, may still buy, sell, trade and lend their illegal guns without notifying any government agency, including the Registrar of Firearms.

Private Sales, Trades, Gifts and Lending

Both the seller and buyer of a Non-Restricted firearm (rifles and shotguns) must obtain permission from the RCMP Registrar of Firearms before a firearm may transferred.

“The transferee shall provide to the transferor the prescribed information that relates to the transferee’s licence, for the purpose of enabling the transferor to request that the Registrar issue a reference number for the transfer.”

The government has not defined the scope of this “prescribed information.” We know it includes, but is not limited to:

1. the reference number issued by the RCMP Registrar of Firearms
2. the day on which the reference number was issued
3. the transferor’s licence number
4. the transferee’s licence number
5. the firearm’s make, model and type and, if any, its serial number

The phrase “information that relates to the transferee’s licence” is open-ended, and until the regulations are made public, we don’t know what additional information will be required.

Retail Firearm Sales

Firearm retailers must create, manage and maintain a gun registry that includes detailed information about licensed buyers of “Non-Restricted” firearms, including the make, model and serial number of the firearm they purchased, as noted above.

Firearm retailers must keep these records for at least 20 years, and the Minister may demand an even longer timeframe.

Section 102 of the Firearms Act gives the Chief Firearms Officer the power to inspect and copy any and every store record at any time, without a warrant.

Section 101 of the Criminal Code makes improper record keeping a crime punishable by five years in prison.

In plain language, Sections 101 and 102 mean this data belongs to the government, not gun stores, and when data about firearms and firearms owners is de facto owned by the government, it’s a gun registry.

The government, via Bill C-71, puts firearm retailers over a barrel and forces them to create, pay for and maintain Justin Trudeau’s new “not a gun registry” long gun registry.

A Connections/Relationship Registry

Bill C-71 creates both a gun registry (one at every firearm retailer, in fact) and a personal connections registry. This is one of its most invasive and sinister elements. The RCMP will know who is in contact with whom to legally buy, sell or transfer firearms, whether the transfer is completed or not.

Over time, the RCMP will know which PAL holders are in contact with one another, allowing them to build a complex relationship grid of PAL holders and the firearms they buy, sell and trade.

Gun Shows

Most gun shows happen on weekends when the Registrar of Firearms is closed. It’s already a problem to get firearms transferred on weekends, and this problem will only get worse under the new regulations.

• Will gun owners be able to sell firearms at a gun show after May 18th?
• Will the RCMP and/or provincial police be at gun shows to facilitate firearm transfers for buyers and sellers?
• If so, will they have the authority to act as Registrar of Firearms at these events?

The answer to these questions is unclear until the regulations are made public, something that the government says will happen “in the coming days.”

Other Unanswered Questions

• What are the criteria for the Licence Verification to be approved or denied?
• We know all Licence Verifications are entered into a database to track individual firearm owner activity, but who keeps this Licence Verification activity data, for what purpose, and how long will it be retained?
• Is Licence Verification data attached to an individual's licence? If so, who can access it?
• What is the start-up cost and annual operating cost for the Licence Verification system?
• How will this work for business-to-business firearm sales?
• Will the RCMP Registrar of Firearms business line provide this number?
• Will there be a feature on the business web service to issue the numbers?
• Who is authorized to demand this registry information from businesses and under what authority?
• How will the government deal with the myriad Privacy Act implications of holding and divulging this data?

Notably, the RCMP’s Bill C-71 page is completely silent about the coming into force of these sections of Bill C-71.

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[notahypocrite]

yup, sold all mine because I have a baby on the way.. no responsible parent would own deadly out of control objects with a baby in the house….

but! There’s definitely some people that’ll need a rifle for this bear season or this moose(haha) season, so maybe just maybe they are private people and will want to do their shopping prior.

"deadly out of control objects".... does your gun just get out of its safe and walk around the house from time to time? just thought that was a little extreme. a responsible person would just lock up their guns. no offense meant, just thought the "deadly out of control objects" was strange.

[Wentrot]

"deadly out of control objects".... does your gun just get out of its safe and walk around the house from time to time? just thought that was a little extreme. a responsible person would just lock up their guns. no offense meant, just thought the "deadly out of control objects" was strange.

Sarcasm clearly goes over that head of yours quite easily!

[emerson]

It’s a registry by another name. Anyone who disagrees is being obtuse because they are leftie shills. Stop pretending you GAF about firearms rights. You are the reason our society is going down the shitter.

[huntingfamily]

Here is the official release today...

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-safe...-firearms.html

[HarryToolips]

Here is the official release today...

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-safe...-firearms.html

"Canadians deserve to feel safe in their communities " they say...statements like that paint non restricted gun owners as criminals or as a threat to public safety in the eyes of the uninformed anti gun biased group even more...bunch of Libtards....

[IronNoggin]

From Alberta Outdoors:

Judging from this, maybe they will be asking for info on the guns when you call in for a private sale transfer number. If they ask this of the businesses, you can bet they'll ask gun info for a private sale;

From Cantac Arms today;

Due to recent changes with the Firearms Law Cantac Firearms will be CLOSED 18th-20th to set up for this.
Unfortunately this includes all of our Gunsmithing firearms as well.

Effective May 18, 2022 :

(1) The business must record and, for a period of 20 years beginning on the day on which the record is created, keep the following information relating to the business’ possession and disposal of all non-restricted firearms:
(a) the classification of the firearm;
(b) the date and an indication of any business activity related to the possession or the disposal of the firearm, including, if applicable, its purchase, sale, bartering, gifting, consignment, importation, exportation, repair, alteration, deactivation, destruction, manufacture, pawn broking, storage and display;
(c) the firearm’s manufacturer, make, model, type, action, gauge or calibre, barrel length and, in the case of a fixed magazine, magazine capacity;
(d) all serial numbers displayed on the firearm’s frame or receiver;
(e) the name and address of the individual or business to which the firearm was sent, or from which the firearm was received, in the course of any business activity referred to in paragraph (b) other than an activity that relates to a transfer of the firearm, if applicable; and,
(f) if the business caused the firearm to be shipped by another person, the name of the shipper or carrier, their licence number or permit number, if applicable, and the package tracking number of the shipped firearm.

(2) The business must record and, for a period of 20 years from the day on which the business transfers a non-restricted firearm, keep the following information in respect of the transfer:
(a) the reference number issued by the Registrar;
(b) the day on which the reference number was issued;
(c) the transferee’s licence number; and
(d) the firearm’s make, model and type and, if any, its serial number.

(3) The business must, unless otherwise directed by a chief firearms officer, transmit any records containing the information referred to at conditions (1) or (2) above to the Registrar of Firearms if it is determined that the business will cease to be a business.

[high horse Hal]

Private Sales, Trades, Gifts and Lending

Both the seller and buyer of a Non-Restricted firearm (rifles and shotguns) must obtain permission from the RCMP Registrar of Firearms before a firearm may transferred.

“The transferee shall provide to the transferor the prescribed information that relates to the transferee’s licence, for the purpose of enabling the transferor to request that the Registrar issue a reference number for the transfer.”

The government has not defined the scope of this “prescribed information.” We know it includes, but is not limited to:

1. the reference number issued by the RCMP Registrar of Firearms
2. the day on which the reference number was issued
3. the transferor’s licence number
4. the transferee’s licence number
5. the firearm’s make, model and type and, if any, its serial number

this may be a little out of line, it looks like firearm details are not required for personal transactions
Sounds like on occasion a CFO is asking for the details, but they do not have to be provided

[IronNoggin]

Yea, this is essentially a background check on the buyer to confirm whether or not he or she is currently allowed to have a firearm in their possession.

As for records kept - in the event a crime is committed police can obtain a warrant to get those records from that particular business. Police/government won’t have access to any of these records just willy nilly.

It is FAR beyond a "background check".
If you have a look at the fine print, they can (and will) demand any and all information they decide they wish to have regarding the private sales permits. You trust the government NOT to collect the make, model serial number? You also trust the police / government not to abuse the included right to access the information any time they wish without a warrant?

"Section 102 of the Firearms Act gives the Chief Firearms Officer the power to inspect and copy any and every store record at any time, without a warrant."

I don't understand why any firearm owner would act as an apologist for this bullshit. And yeah bud, I am looking directly at you....



Nog