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    Re: Peace Region Moose and Northern Cariboo

    Quote Originally Posted by Opinionated Ol Phart View Post
    Latest poll shows 73% of Canadians oppose the tactics the "truckers" have used. Better think carefully who we align with.
    Thinking carefully about who we align with is an understatement. Time will tell whether or not you should take a look in the mirror re. who is calling this incorrectly.

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    Re: Peace Region Moose and Northern Cariboo

    Time to quite listening to the media as they are sensored to what they say.I have heard the producer of Global got fired because she wanted to tell both sides.there have been some definately things been left out or numbers stretched.

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    Re: Peace Region Moose and Northern Cariboo

    Quote Originally Posted by Opinionated Ol Phart View Post
    Latest poll shows 73% of Canadians oppose the tactics the "truckers" have used. Better think carefully who we align with.
    You got a link?
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    Re: Peace Region Moose and Northern Cariboo

    You can read the actual case here: https://www.canlii.org/en/bc/bcsc/do...1bcsc1287.html

    And a shorter explanation of it here: https://www.mandellpinder.com/yahey-v-british-columbia-2021-bcsc-1287-canlii-case-summary/

    The importance of the case, from a legal point of view, is that it's a recognition in law that cumulative effects of a series of industrial resource extractions qualifies as a break of Treaty 8.

    There is nothing in the decision that specifies that resident hunters are a problem.

    What you're seeing is the provincial government dividing and conquering. The government was found guilty of breaching a treaty by allowing too much industrial resource extraction.

    Their solution? Punish hunters. Like Ed said above: "
    This is wildlife management by social pressure not science. This is the provincial governments reaction to having lost in court for the "INDUSTRIAL" encroachment and impacts in breach of Treaty 8."

    Call your MLA. Tell them to use science, not social pressure, to manage wildlife. Blame the government.

    Do not fall for the divide and conquer trick and rail against First Nations. That will not help. Call or visit your MLA and raise a little hell.




    Rob Chipman
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    "Grown men do not need leaders" - also Ed Abbey

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    Re: Peace Region Moose and Northern Cariboo

    Quote Originally Posted by Walking Buffalo View Post
    BCWF and concerned people.

    The B.C. government does not own the wildlife.
    Wildlife is held in TRUST by the Crown, managed by the Provinces, FOR ALL PEOPLE.
    ALL PEOPLE of Canada legally own ALL THE WILDLIFE!

    Negotiation is not going to quell this illegal action to exclude most of THE PEOPLE from being able to consume wildlife.

    This illegal action will only be squashed in court.

    File an injunction.
    Get this into the court system.
    Sadly that is not true, but it raises an important question.

    The *idea* that wildlife is held as a public trust in Canada is a nice one, but as far as I know it's not one that the government believes in nor is it enshrined in law (I hope I'm wrong and someone can point me to where it says "wildlife is held in trust" in Canada). As far as I know the idea that wildlife is held in trust for the public is a description of what Val Geist and Shane Mahoney saw, more or less, as a practice that some governments around NA engaged in. It's never been accurate in BC as far as I can see.

    This matters because going forward the question of who owns fish and wildlife will matter very much. There are Indigenous people who argue that they own the wildlife on their territory. Mention this to your MLA and change their worldview, because if it becomes widely accepted that wildlife and fish belong to the Indigenous people in a particular territory it is going to become very difficult to unring that bell.
    Rob Chipman
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    Re: BC trades away outdoor recreation rights to continue industrial encroachment in t

    Quote Originally Posted by rageous View Post
    Can we get a list of email addresses we should be sending to? aside from our local MLA’s?
    might make it easier for some.

    Alphabetical list of emails here:

    https://www.leg.bc.ca/content-commit...formation.aspx

    Find your MLA here:

    https://www.leg.bc.ca/learn-about-us/members


    Tell them:

    1) Yahey vs BC (Blueberry River FN decision) was about industrial activity, not hunting, and it's inappropriate to punish hunters for the cumulative effects of industrial activity;
    2) Dividing and conquering is not going to help reconciliation, but will rather flame the fires of anger on both the Indigenous and non-Indigenous sides;
    3) Stopping hunting will not restore fish, wildlife and habitat. That takes money and political will, not regulation changes;
    4) Most graph lines rise as they go to the right; the historical BC wildlife funding graph line is flat as it moves right, and adjusted for inflation and growth it goes down as it moves right. Most MLAs are not aware of this. Make sure you tell them that funding has, in fact, been woefully inadequate and we are...."managing to zero" in BC (most MLAs don't know that term and need it drilled into their heads).

    Remember, you can meet easily on Zoom with your MLA. It's easy.

    If you can't do that send them an email. If you don't get an answer report back here with the MLA's name.

    If you get the MLA's assistant chase them down for a good answer. Make sure they know that you're pissed.
    Rob Chipman
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    Re: Peace Region Moose and Northern Cariboo

    Sent a second email to my MLA outlining these points.

    Only have received automated responses so far.

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    Re: BC trades away outdoor recreation rights to continue industrial encroachment in t

    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Chipman View Post
    Alphabetical list of emails here:

    https://www.leg.bc.ca/content-commit...formation.aspx

    Find your MLA here:

    https://www.leg.bc.ca/learn-about-us/members


    Tell them:

    1) Yahey vs BC (Blueberry River FN decision) was about industrial activity, not hunting, and it's inappropriate to punish hunters for the cumulative effects of industrial activity;
    2) Dividing and conquering is not going to help reconciliation, but will rather flame the fires of anger on both the Indigenous and non-Indigenous sides;
    3) Stopping hunting will not restore fish, wildlife and habitat. That takes money and political will, not regulation changes;
    4) Most graph lines rise as they go to the right; the historical BC wildlife funding graph line is flat as it moves right, and adjusted for inflation and growth it goes down as it moves right. Most MLAs are not aware of this. Make sure you tell them that funding has, in fact, been woefully inadequate and we are...."managing to zero" in BC (most MLAs don't know that term and need it drilled into their heads).

    Remember, you can meet easily on Zoom with your MLA. It's easy.

    If you can't do that send them an email. If you don't get an answer report back here with the MLA's name.

    If you get the MLA's assistant chase them down for a good answer. Make sure they know that you're pissed.
    Good stuff Rob - very helpful
    "It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority." - Benjamin Franklin

    "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it" - George Orwell

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    Re: Peace Region Moose and Northern Cariboo

    TheObserver ....So show me otherwise.
    Last edited by Opinionated Ol Phart; 02-16-2022 at 04:54 PM.

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    Re: BC trades away outdoor recreation rights to continue industrial encroachment in t

    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Chipman View Post

    If you can't do that send them an email. If you don't get an answer report back here with the MLA's name.
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