AHTE Reg 4 LEH proposal

[Bullreaper]

^^^^ To be clear. I'm not at all a proponent for high fences. If I could, I would pursue the removal of any high fence that restricts movement and winter range for wildlife. However, when the mortality of our wildlife is highways and railways, we aren't left with a lot of options other than fence and under/overpass. I'm well aware of the current lack of mule deer on the slopes around Gilpin. In the situation you refer to, if the fences along the highway come down, how do you keep mortality due to front bumper collisions down?

The point you raise that we lack real data is a very real consideration. We need allocated money, to inventory our wildlife numbers and their habitat before we can make science supported decisions.

Thanks

Exactly. There is no easy fix or solutions for the numerous problems our wildlife has. Government action and spending is the core issue we need to get addressed. How do we convince Victoria how serious of an issue this is and it needs to be a priority? I’ve tried writing my MLA’s to no avail. Maybe try a Hunter, outdoorsman, conservationist convoy to Victoria?

[j270wsm]

Ya cant really answer how many times Bob was hired for the sheep tag before his untimely death in Africa, his area still took out hunters after that as well. Dont no how much of the money went back into
those locations either. To be honest but sorry not sure the point of the questions or what your asking.

The question was exactly what I wrote. Which you tried to answer.
Id be willing to bet there was over 1million in funds that were used to purchase the tags that Fontana guided in the Elk and fording valleys and very little if any of that money went back into habitat enhancement for the elk or fording valley.

[LBM]

The question was exactly what I wrote. Which you tried to answer.
Id be willing to bet there was over 1million in funds that were used to purchase the tags that Fontana guided in the Elk and fording valleys and very little if any of that money went back into habitat enhancement for the elk or fording valley.

So still un sure, do you know the answer to your question or just guessing?

[Bullreaper]

Here is an excellent piece on wildlife management. Start at the 7:25 mark. If the link doesn’t work look up Randy Newberg, hunter on youtube. Video title is “where’d the science go!? A new morning show” although it’s based in Montana, tons applies to us as well.
https://youtu.be/PM-_dWXLLKk

[Bugle M In]

Here is an excellent piece on wildlife management. Start at the 7:25 mark. If the link doesn’t work look up Randy Newberg, hunter on youtube. Video title is “where’d the science go!? A new morning show” although it’s based in Montana, tons applies to us as well.
https://youtu.be/PM-_dWXLLKk

Yup, good post.
Like you say, start at 7:25.
The 24:00 mark is also a big point.

The big mistake on top of what was said in that video, is none of what we do, how we do it, and when to do it came with no
financial guarantees to to do.
All our science didn't come with money to back it up, or better still, correct what it was telling was/is going wrong.

[Bugle M In]

Just remember folks, Assiniboine Sheep are down.
And remember, it has been LEH forever!! with hard access and very limited success due to that plus very limited in permits.
It is protected on 3 of 4 sides by national park, and it s south side does have a ton of logging and a fire (outside its boundary).

Really, if there should be 1 SUCCESS STORY, where going to LEH has created a BOUNCE BACK, then this should be THE ONE.
But nope!
WHY, because whatever the issue is, the DECLINE IS NOT HUNTING!

And they have know that for a long time now.
And like always, nothing really gets done.
They put it on the LEH list, and then walk away saying "we did all we could".

Which is kind of true, because there is nothing else they can do!!
There is no resources for them to look into it and address and correct it..
Things go LEH as a way to look like they have taken action based on the science and #'s.
And then they stay LEH because nothing more is built into the system to fix.

And, because there is nothing left to fix it, quite often, like in Assiniboine, we will watch them go to almost nothing.
And that is basically a park.
Imagine some of the areas that aren't as unique as Assiniboine!!!!!
They could go from bad to into the tank in no time at all.

This is more than just going GOS to LEH.
Its about what is going to change to make the trend to go in the right direction, not just for sheep but other species.
Which so far, has been nothing.

[LBM]

Just remember folks, Assiniboine Sheep are down.
And remember, it has been LEH forever!! with hard access and very limited success due to that plus very limited in permits.
It is protected on 3 of 4 sides by national park, and it s south side does have a ton of logging and a fire (outside its boundary).

Really, if there should be 1 SUCCESS STORY, where going to LEH has created a BOUNCE BACK, then this should be THE ONE.
But nope!
WHY, because whatever the issue is, the DECLINE IS NOT HUNTING!

And they have know that for a long time now.
And like always, nothing really gets done.
They put it on the LEH list, and then walk away saying "we did all we could".

Which is kind of true, because there is nothing else they can do!!
There is no resources for them to look into it and address and correct it..
Things go LEH as a way to look like they have taken action based on the science and #'s.
And then they stay LEH because nothing more is built into the system to fix.

And, because there is nothing left to fix it, quite often, like in Assiniboine, we will watch them go to almost nothing.
And that is basically a park.
Imagine some of the areas that aren't as unique as Assiniboine!!!!!
They could go from bad to into the tank in no time at all.

This is more than just going GOS to LEH.
Its about what is going to change to make the trend to go in the right direction, not just for sheep but other species.
Which so far, has been nothing.

Just curious when was the last time you were in the Assiniboine and what you saw for sheep, and which way
you went in up the simpson through the park or up the cross.
I dont think its been LEH for ever think it use to be GOS.
Would have been interesting to have a trail camera on the simpson trail head
a decade or 2 ago.

[J_T]

Not sure if I did this link properly. Nice to see decisions being made after data is collected and solutions found. It takes money, time and resources on the ground. Regulation modification is (generally) not a solution.

Instead, we seem to sit back with a very narrow view of the problems faced, ignoring the exploration of creative solutions, with often no data and lacking the commitment to use the data and solutions with tangible results.


https://www.rmef.org/elk-network/new...ame-migration/

[LBM]

Not sure if I did this link properly. Nice to see decisions being made after data is collected and solutions found. It takes money, time and resources on the ground. Regulation modification is (generally) not a solution.

Instead, we seem to sit back with a very narrow view of the problems faced, ignoring the exploration of creative solutions, with often no data and lacking the commitment to use the data and solutions with tangible results.


https://www.rmef.org/elk-network/new...ame-migration/

Interesting watch there is others to watch as well Eastmans has one out as well on migration and conflicts, mainly on mule deer.

[Rackmastr]

Bighorn Sheep LEH R4 with Gerry Paille - BCWF - YouTube