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    Re: BCWF Webinar "When does selective hunting lead to evolutionary change and what (i

    Quote Originally Posted by Ourea View Post
    Bearvalley, as I have stated before, it is crystal clear you hate the fed and especially Jesse Zeeman.
    We get it.

    The examples are endless of you hijacking threads with the apparent objective to bash and attack those within the hunting community that you perceive as a threat or in any way challenge your business model. Fair enough.

    You are obsessed with bashing the Fed every chance you get. Got it.
    Loud and clear.

    This is a community bound together over our passion of hunting BC.
    This is not a platform to endlessly bash those that are trying to make a difference in fish and wildlife as you perceive them as a threat ( in my opinion ) to your business model.

    Bashing resident hunters and organizations will get you no where other than drive that wedge deeper.

    Sad man
    Ourea, you’ve kinda jumped a little over board my friend…..hate is a pretty harsh term.
    I do believe others have picked up on this thread and there could be an underlying issue.
    Go ahead and stir the pot….I’m not biting.
    I completely support resident hunting organizations …..but the catch is the organization needs to have the back of hunters.
    There’s a difference.
    Your group seems a little watered down.

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    Re: BCWF Webinar "When does selective hunting lead to evolutionary change and what (i

    Quote Originally Posted by bearvalley View Post
    Sure would be a good way to screw over outfitters if you could get the full curl rule thrown out and ditch LEH’s or if an LEH season comes into play carry on with over authorizations.
    There’s probably more than one snake at play here.
    Quote Originally Posted by bearvalley View Post
    Too bad the BCWF hadn’t scheduled a joint webinar with Marco Festa-Blanchet and our sheep and goat specialist Bill Jex.
    It would be interesting to hear Bills take on Blanchets theory and if he feels it’s a concern in BC to only shoot full curls.
    Quote Originally Posted by bearvalley View Post
    Not my style Robbie Boy.
    That said you might not get the giggles you’re expecting.
    Quote Originally Posted by bearvalley View Post
    That shouldn’t be a hard question for Rob to answer ….if he’s granted permission to speak.




    Maybe others that we do not suspect follow along with the Compassionate Conservation train of thought.
    Rub shoulders long enough and some will rub off.
    Quote Originally Posted by bearvalley View Post
    Rob, study up on genetics.
    The ewe is a factor as well and in “viable, thriving” populations and she will be part of the genetic makeup of the next generation.
    Quote Originally Posted by bearvalley View Post
    Lol….no Rob, it seems you’re just the self elected spokesman for the Fed….the TCG and Chad Day as well as PHAAT …and any other topic that your blog savvy skills want to run away with.
    Give my regards to the rest of the muppets!
    Quote Originally Posted by bearvalley View Post
    Robbie, you might call it stirring the pot….others might look at it as pouring water down the hole and watching the rats pop up.
    Been registered for a while….wouldn’t want to miss it.
    Quote Originally Posted by bearvalley View Post
    Robbie, I’m fully aware how that game plays…..and you’re right, without pics it didn’t happen.
    Stay dry and watch out for cameras.
    Quote Originally Posted by bearvalley View Post
    You know my phone #
    Ourea….must be guilt by association got you but where does Jesse Zeman come into play?

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    Re: BCWF Webinar "When does selective hunting lead to evolutionary change and what (i

    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Chipman View Post
    OK, let me re-phrase. I don't know who picked him because I don't think it's one individual who picks these speakers. There are multiple people involved in putting the webinar series together and there has been turnover among that team. Question back at you, since I'm detecting an implication: are you saying that picking Festa-Bianchet to speak means that there is some single individual or group of individuals at BCWF who are fans of compassionate conservation?

    Does that also go for Wild Sheep Foundation? They let him speak as well.



    I'm still reading the paper. If that paper states that "full out stating that his proposal for reduced hunting in Alberta would solve his "scientifically proven" problem,
    all the while claiming that his solution for Alberta was actually a "scientifically proven" problem in B.C and thus proposed even further hunting restrictions" I'll look for it. I might need your help on it because I'm not 100% clear what you're saying aside from the part where you think he's sucking and blowing at the same time.
    I simply asked who invited him.
    As you don't know, it may become important that you find out.
    I have no idea if other BCWF personnel are pro Compassionate Conservation.
    This is another important question to be asked and answered.

    Do you know why the WSF let Bianchet speak?
    Do you think they let him in not knowing what he has done in an attempt to eliminate hunting, and were not prepared Before inviting him?


    This paper is but one coefficient in a long equation.
    Prepare to do a lot more reading if you truly want to understand.

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    Re: BCWF Webinar "When does selective hunting lead to evolutionary change and what (i

    Well....Maybe start with stop bashing resident advocacy groups and individuals

    You claim to support resident hunting groups yet venomously attack some.

    To be clear. i have no affiliation to any (group).

    Again, always undermining and sniping at the Fed every chance you get.

    Mr Chipman was putting some information out (albeit some may perceive it as somewhat controversial)....
    Then you show up and hamstring yet another thread


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    Re: BCWF Webinar "When does selective hunting lead to evolutionary change and what (i

    Quote Originally Posted by bearvalley View Post
    You know my phone #
    Actually I don't. New phone or never saved it or who knows what. No biggie.
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    Re: BCWF Webinar "When does selective hunting lead to evolutionary change and what (i

    Quote Originally Posted by bearvalley View Post
    I completely support resident hunting organizations …..but the catch is the organization needs to have the back of hunters.

    BCWF is a conservation organization that is member driven. The overwhelming majority of our members are hunters and anglers, but we are not a hunting organization. This isn't new. It's been stated many, many times.

    Our goals are fish, wildlife, habitat and access to it. Because a lot of our members are hunters (a lot) we also get involved in firearms issues, but that doesn't make us a gun advocacy group.

    It's s subtle but important difference.
    Last edited by Rob Chipman; 01-12-2022 at 06:18 PM.
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    Re: BCWF Webinar "When does selective hunting lead to evolutionary change and what (i

    Quote Originally Posted by bearvalley View Post
    Sure would be a good way to screw over outfitters if you could get the full curl rule thrown out and ditch LEH’s or if an LEH season comes into play carry on with over authorizations.
    There’s probably more than one snake at play here.
    Quote Originally Posted by bearvalley View Post
    Too bad the BCWF hadn’t scheduled a joint webinar with Marco Festa-Blanchet and our sheep and goat specialist Bill Jex.
    It would be interesting to hear Bills take on Blanchets theory and if he feels it’s a concern in BC to only shoot full curls.
    Quote Originally Posted by bearvalley View Post
    Not my style Robbie Boy.
    That said you might not get the giggles you’re expecting.
    Quote Originally Posted by bearvalley View Post
    That shouldn’t be a hard question for Rob to answer ….if he’s granted permission to speak.




    Maybe others that we do not suspect follow along with the Compassionate Conservation train of thought.
    Rub shoulders long enough and some will rub off.
    Quote Originally Posted by bearvalley View Post
    Rob, study up on genetics.
    The ewe is a factor as well and in “viable, thriving” populations and she will be part of the genetic makeup of the next generation.
    Quote Originally Posted by bearvalley View Post
    Lol….no Rob, it seems you’re just the self elected spokesman for the Fed….the TCG and Chad Day as well as PHAAT …and any other topic that your blog savvy skills want to run away with.
    Give my regards to the rest of the muppets!
    Quote Originally Posted by bearvalley View Post
    Robbie, you might call it stirring the pot….others might look at it as pouring water down the hole and watching the rats pop up.
    Been registered for a while….wouldn’t want to miss it.
    Quote Originally Posted by bearvalley View Post
    Robbie, I’m fully aware how that game plays…..and you’re right, without pics it didn’t happen.
    Stay dry and watch out for cameras.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ourea View Post
    Well....Maybe start with stop bashing resident advocacy groups and individuals

    You claim to support resident hunting groups yet venomously attack some.

    To be clear. i have no affiliation to any (group).

    Again, always undermining and sniping at the Fed every chance you get.

    Mr Chipman was putting some information out (albeit some may perceive it as somewhat controversial)....
    Then you show up and hamstring yet another thread
    Ourea, there’s a difference between supporting resident hunters and supporting “resident hunting groups”.
    Not all groups are worthy of complete support even tho in part they are to be supported.
    I bet you aren’t in complete support of “Together for Wildlife” or “The Ministers Advisory Council” …..at least that’s my guess from past posts of yours regarding FN’s and especially your personal attacks in the past on Grand Chief Stewart Phillips.
    If you want to call a kettle black you’d best be clean yourself.
    I realize some don’t want to hear other than what the mainstream wants out but there’s a bigger picture and you trying to make this into an Outfitter versus resident or I’m picking on Jesse deal is utter BS.
    Im watching us lose hunting opportunities…..are you good with that?
    Stir the pot….if you want a list of BC resident hunters that will cover my back I’ll provide it.
    But I’m gonna want your list in return.

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    Re: BCWF Webinar "When does selective hunting lead to evolutionary change and what (i

    Quote Originally Posted by Walking Buffalo View Post
    I simply asked who invited him.
    As you don't know, it may become important that you find out.
    I can't see how it would be. I know that most of the guys I know at BCWF are not in favour of LEH seasons for sheep, and I know they're pro-hunting and not believers in compassionate conservation, and I have a pretty good understanding of how we create content. I understand that you're concerned that something fishy *might* be going on, but I have absolutely no fears about that. I'm just trying to get more people to get more engaged and this webinar is shaping up to do exactly that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Walking Buffalo View Post
    I have no idea if other BCWF personnel are pro Compassionate Conservation.
    Good to hear. I confirm that none of the volunteers and none of the staff that I know are compassionate conservationists.


    Quote Originally Posted by Walking Buffalo View Post
    Do you know why the WSF let Bianchet speak?

    Do you think they let him in not knowing what he has done in an attempt to eliminate hunting, and were not prepared Before inviting him?
    I have no idea. Thats' why I was asking. I would *assume* that the WSF is in favour of hunting big rams. The idea was floated that inviting Festa-Bianchet was proof of something untoward. If BCWF is guilty in that way then doesn't it stand to reason that WSF would also be guilty in the same way?


    Quote Originally Posted by Walking Buffalo View Post
    This paper is but one coefficient in a long equation.
    Prepare to do a lot more reading if you truly want to understand.
    Sure, fair enough, but keep in mind: if a guy wants to stealthily try to get me to reduce hunting opportunity by convincing me that it will deliver more trophy rams then that guy is wasting his time (and my understanding is that that's kind of the thrust of Festa-Bianchet's argument - taking out the rams with the biggest horns results in rams with smaller horns, and frankly, I've got bigger concerns than horn size).

    If he's trying to trick me into becoming and anti-hunter? Jesus, it's not like there's a shortage of those guys. Hasn't worked so far, and I doubt it will in the future. Is it critical to me helping to preserve and enhance fish, wildlife, habitat and access to it that I understand some prof's pet theory? Probably not. I find it really, really hard to believe that Festa-Bianchet is any sort of serious threat to the things I am most concerned about, and I find it really, really hard to believe that he's going to make BCWF Board members support less hunting opportunity in order to get bigger horns or indulge an academic. Off the top of my head I'd say (and I know I'm going out on a limb here) that the evolution of Indigenous rights and the impact of DRIPA deserves way, way more attention.
    Last edited by Rob Chipman; 01-18-2022 at 07:21 PM.
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    Re: BCWF Webinar "When does selective hunting lead to evolutionary change and what (i

    Quote Originally Posted by bearvalley View Post
    an Outfitter versus resident
    I'll confirm that the directors of BCWF are not really into another fight with guide/outfitters. There are certainly resident hunters who are BCWF members who still hate guides (you see them on this forum) but it's pretty clear we need to all work together. One of my favourite BCWF directors is a guide-outfitter as well and he provides some pretty good insight into that world.
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    Re: BCWF Webinar "When does selective hunting lead to evolutionary change and what (i

    6 pages of actual hunting/wildlife related topic. WTF!!!
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