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    Re: Crown Land Given To Now Be FN Land

    Quote Originally Posted by willyqbc View Post
    There's one huge hitch in that plan surrey boy.....if people of color do it, it's "affirmative action" "civil rights", etc, etc. If a bunch of white folks do it....its "racist" and "hate speech". Not only would shiny pony's govt shut it down, we'd prolly all be thrown in jail to boot.

    I dont know what the ultimate answer is, but the first step has to be getting a more moderate govt elected to take some control of the narrative away from the left.

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    You bey it would be racist and hate speech.
    Check out the thread "Only white people can be racist"
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    Re: Crown Land Given To Now Be FN Land

    Quote Originally Posted by Jagermeister View Post
    The page does not exist. anymore? No access 404 error. Top secret behind the closed doors of the College of New Caledonia. There's a colonial name if I ever saw one!
    Not a live link
    go to the site and type indigenous territory guide into the Search to get the pdf
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    Re: Crown Land Given To Now Be FN Land

    Today's Vancouver Sun article about land disputes.
    https://vancouversun.com/opinion/col...that-to-public

    Here is a quote:
    "Activist judges have no place in a democracy. This is 100% wrong and a travesty of monumental proportions. BC belongs to all of us. I’d like to see the First Nations provide a deed to all this property. Oral history is bunk. You can say whatever you like. And how are you supposed to reconcile disagreements between different bands ? Whose oral history are you supposed to believe ? In total, First Nations are claiming 110% of BC. The land claims industry has been making a fortune for lawyers and administrators over the last four decades. Enough of this nonsense"

    My question is, will people be compensated who will be forced to leave their properties?
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    Re: Crown Land Given To Now Be FN Land

    Woodward is a ****ing lawyer paid for by FN interests.
    He is basically a spokeperson.
    It may just be his mouth is writing cheques his ass can't cash.
    But we will see.
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    Re: Crown Land Given To Now Be FN Land

    Quote Originally Posted by wildcatter View Post
    Today's Vancouver Sun article about land disputes.
    https://vancouversun.com/opinion/col...that-to-public

    Here is a quote:
    "Activist judges have no place in a democracy. This is 100% wrong and a travesty of monumental proportions. BC belongs to all of us. I’d like to see the First Nations provide a deed to all this property. Oral history is bunk. You can say whatever you like. And how are you supposed to reconcile disagreements between different bands ? Whose oral history are you supposed to believe ? In total, First Nations are claiming 110% of BC. The land claims industry has been making a fortune for lawyers and administrators over the last four decades. Enough of this nonsense"

    My question is, will people be compensated who will be forced to leave their properties?
    From what I can tell many of these deals include provisions that stipulate that FN's are supposed to compensate land owners for confiscating their land, by using some of the lump sum funds the govt is awarding to these FN's. Whether or not that will come to fruition remains to be seen.

    Man I'd sure hate to be a land owner on Nootka right now
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    Re: Crown Land Given To Now Be FN Land

    Quote Originally Posted by adriaticum View Post
    Woodward is a ****ing lawyer paid for by FN interests.
    He is basically a spokeperson.
    It may just be his mouth is writing cheques his ass can't cash.
    But we will see.
    You can bet he is getting paid very well.
    The asswipe is a traitor to his people.
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    Re: Crown Land Given To Now Be FN Land

    Quote Originally Posted by Harvest the Land View Post
    From what I can tell many of these deals include provisions that stipulate that FN's are supposed to compensate land owners for confiscating their land, by using some of the lump sum funds the govt is awarding to these FN's. Whether or not that will come to fruition remains to be seen.

    Man I'd sure hate to be a land owner on Nootka right now

    And who decides the amount of compensation?
    I wouldn't want to be compensated by FN, rather by the government in a fair manner.
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    Re: Crown Land Given To Now Be FN Land

    Quote Originally Posted by wildcatter View Post
    And who decides the amount of compensation?
    I wouldn't want to be compensated by FN, rather by the government in a fair manner.
    Good question - would they simply go by current market values and refer to E-Value BC? And technically speaking you indeed would be getting compensated by the government because the government is dedicating a portion of the financial awards to FN's to specifically compensate land owners who will have their land confiscated (its government money that will be paying land owners - not FN's money)
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    Re: Crown Land Given To Now Be FN Land

    Quote Originally Posted by adriaticum View Post
    Woodward is a ****ing lawyer paid for by FN interests.
    He is basically a spokeperson.
    It may just be his mouth is writing cheques his ass can't cash.
    But we will see.

    Maybe Woodward isn't so much writing cheques as pointing out which cheques have already been cashed. He's using provocative language, but the Tsilhqot'in Nation Declared Title Lands decision is a fact that exists and has big implications. It was on BC government websites at least 2 years ago, I'm sure (and I referenced it here) that fee simple ownership and Indigenous title would have to be figured out. When I first read that I could not believe my eyes - I'm a realtor with over 3 decades in the business, so the concept of fee simple being pretty much inviolable was ingrained.

    Guess what? It's not. Survey the web pages of law firms that work in this are and you'll quickly see that Indigenous title is often thought to be incompatible with fee simple title granted by the crown, and that fee simple is inferior to Indigenous title.

    That has not been ruled on conclusively by Canadian courts, but it is up for grabs.

    And like his opinion or not, Woodward is very knowledgeable in this area.

    It's important to recognize that what most of us have always assumed to be a fact that won't change, that is, the concept of "Crown land" is very much up for grabs. In some circles the use of the term "Crown land" is simply unacceptable.

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    Re: Crown Land Given To Now Be FN Land

    Quote Originally Posted by wildcatter View Post
    And who decides the amount of compensation?
    I wouldn't want to be compensated by FN, rather by the government in a fair manner.
    There's a bit of info on that
    here:

    https://www.wltribune.com/news/lodge...or-fair-price/
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