Crown Land Given To Now Be FN Land

[vladthepes]

....not probably...certainly! They were living in the iron age! No wheels, no horses before Europeans arrived and despite a 10,000 years head start! They would never have developed!

[elker]

....not probably...certainly! They were living in the iron age! No wheels, no horses before Europeans arrived and despite a 10,000 years head start! They would never have developed!

true.
That is one point that the FN has to appreciate and that the Libertards always want to deny.

[adriaticum]

true.
That is one point that the FN has to appreciate and that the Libertards always want to deny.

So what?
So what if they lived in the iron age?

Based on your knowledge of history of North America and Europe leading up to 1492, how would you compare lives of ordinary people in Europe vs North America?

[adriaticum]

It's funny how many of us are fighting against government bullshit and socio economic status quo and then when an opportunity to change that comes around, we fail to recognize it.

[RugDoctor]

So what?
So what if they lived in the iron age?

Based on your knowledge of history of North America and Europe, how would you compare lives of ordinary people in Europe vs North America leading up to 1492?

I think the point is that colonizer came, and made something of this land. Something much better, that was not there before. Meanwhile, the occupants of the land when colonizer came, were taking slaves, eating dogs, and warring. They may have developed, but may not....not the point....point is, someone came, claimed the land that was occupied, not owned or improved, and made something of it...improved it. Improving land is a cornerstone of claiming it and ownership.....outside of a couple corn rows, I don’t think there was any bustling infrastructure on the immediate horizon until the Europeans showed up.....Colonizers are the real owners of this land, and colonizers allowed natives to remain in whatever form they allowed it which was acceptable for the times....Not so much anymore, but if it’s FN taking slaves, eating dogs, and warring is not to be admonished because it was how it was at that time and place....so it is with how colonizers treated FN at the time.....times have changed.....FN don’t do those things, and neither do colonizers. Let’s recognize who the real land owners are, and who should be thanking who for the ability to be here.

[adriaticum]

I think the point is that colonizer came, and made something of this land. Something much better, that was not there before. Meanwhile, the occupants of the land when colonizer came, were taking slaves, eating dogs, and warring. They may have developed, but may not....not the point....point is, someone came, claimed the land that was occupied, not owned or improved, and made something of it...improved it. Improving land is a cornerstone of claiming it and ownership.....outside of a couple corn rows, I don’t think there was any bustling infrastructure on the immediate horizon until the Europeans showed up.....Colonizers are the real owners of this land, and colonizers allowed natives to remain in whatever form they allowed it which was acceptable for the times....Not so much anymore, but if it’s FN taking slaves, eating dogs, and warring is not to be admonished because it was how it was at that time and place....so it is with how colonizers treated FN at the time.....times have changed.....FN don’t do those things, and neither do colonizers. Let’s recognize who the real land owners are, and who should be thanking who for the ability to be here.

That's a bullshit narrative we have been perpetuating for millenia.
It shows no historical basis.

This narrative was mainly perpetuated by the church.

[Harvest the Land]

I think the point is that colonizer came, and made something of this land. Something much better, that was not there before. Meanwhile, the occupants of the land when colonizer came, were taking slaves, eating dogs, and warring. They may have developed, but may not....not the point....point is, someone came, claimed the land that was occupied, not owned or improved, and made something of it...improved it. Improving land is a cornerstone of claiming it and ownership.....outside of a couple corn rows, I don’t think there was any bustling infrastructure on the immediate horizon until the Europeans showed up.....Colonizers are the real owners of this land, and colonizers allowed natives to remain in whatever form they allowed it which was acceptable for the times....Not so much anymore, but if it’s FN taking slaves, eating dogs, and warring is not to be admonished because it was how it was at that time and place....so it is with how colonizers treated FN at the time.....times have changed.....FN don’t do those things, and neither do colonizers. Let’s recognize who the real land owners are, and who should be thanking who for the ability to be here.

There's no question that colonizers did make a ton of things better, but to say that colonizers made everything "much better" is highly debatable.

For instance, we're inundated with plastic in our water/soil/food, and with birth control/drugs/pesticides/chemicals etc in our water supply. Can't breathe the air on some days in the big cities. We've cut down almost all the old growth. We paved over 1000's of streams/creeks/waterways. Where have all the elk and bison and salmon gone since the colonizers made things "much better"?

Depends on what you think "much better" means and it certainly does not apply to every aspect of life.

P.S. this thread should be moved to the open debates or politics section btw

[KodiakHntr]

....not probably...certainly! They were living in the iron age! No wheels, no horses before Europeans arrived and despite a 10,000 years head start! They would never have developed!

true.
That is one point that the FN has to appreciate and that the Libertards always want to deny.

While I understand the sentiment behind the concept, it's not really a valid argument. Unless of course you have a 4x4 in your driveway that you designed from the ground up and built from scratch? Make your own powder in your back yard that you discovered through trial and error? Smelt your own steel and make your own rifles? Melt sand and make your own optics?

Trade and commerce have played out around the world since the beginning of time. It is how humans have advanced to the point we are at now.

[adriaticum]

I'd really like Rush Limbaugh over there to provide some arguments for his grandiose statements.
I already kind of know what Vlad the impaler might have to say.

[RugDoctor]

That's a bullshit narrative we have been perpetuating for millenia.
It shows no historical basis.

This narrative was mainly perpetuated by the church.

Wooo. Struck a nerve....again. Talk about BS.....