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    Re: Behind the glass hunting podcast? BHA?

    I hope someday in some public setting, someone will ask Darimont why he thinks its "ok" to kill ungulates, but its against his "values" to kill bears (has he ever tasted an interior bear)? Cause he sure as shit will just block you on Twitter if you ask him there, and definitely not reply to emailed questions. He's a conflicted individual and I think its crazy just how so many people want to hear what he has to say.

    Make no mistake, he represents a clear and present danger to predator hunters in BC. Raincoast has a ton of fans permeating throughout the NDP and they've got a ton of $$ behind them. The harsh reality is that Hunters in BC are facing a multitude of threats from everywhere, like we never have before
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    Re: Behind the glass hunting podcast? BHA?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElectricDyck View Post
    Rob Chipman's incite on this topic and others in other threads seems honest and makes sense, even if I don't like it..

    Wasn't it Jesse Zeeman who started the whole "meat hunter" vs "trophy hunter" in his quota battle against the outfitters? We then lost the Grizzly hunt soon after....seems to me we need all hands on deck including GOABC if we want hunting to have "social license" to hunt in the future...

    I'm still cautious of BHA as a whole, this podcast didn't help...when an organization is started by a lefty and receives large donations from companies that also donate to the Tides fund, my hackles go up..

    All that being said I am very pessimistic that my kids will be able to hunt with even close to as much freedom as we did 5 years ago. You have only to read their school text books or listen to current events to realize things aren't going well for the sport of hunting.
    Thanks for the kind words (that also goes to you too, Mark).

    You may not like some of the things I've said, but I try to be as clear sighted as possible. They say the truth is always friendly. That doesn't mean it's comfortable. It often isn't.

    Regarding Jesse starting the whole "meat hunter" vs "trophy hunter" I don't know. I wasn't there, but it sounds very doubtful to me. I'm sure he'd like to see the term "trophy hunter" disappear, but that's not the same as trying to cut trophy hunters out of the herd. Consider what you just witnessed in real time: Raincoast dropped a paper that was designed to cut trophy hunters out of the herd. Their media allies picked it up and ran with it and made it a problem for the government. You heard Jesse oppose that in public abasing Rebecca Breder on CKNW, and he was deeply involved in getting the BCWF letter writing campaign up and running (as in, without him it may well not have hit the web as soon as fast as it did).

    Like they say: actions speak louder than words. If someone told you Jesse isn't on the side of hunters, look at what you've seen him actually do. The facts just don't support the allegation.

    The other issue you raise, that of BHA being created by a lefty who receives donations from companies that also donate to Tides, raises an issue we're going to have to process. BHA was created to counter the privatization of public land in the US. Their slogan is "Public Land Owner". I don't know the BHA guys south of the line, but based on what I see online they are legit hunters. I do know BHA people here. Guess what? Legit hunters.

    I did a quick search on Land Tawney being some sort of left-winger, and dug into determining whether, if he is a lefty, it's a bad thing. He has certainly been demonized by some, but it sounds like partisan politics, or conspiracy theory stuff, or even more interesting, a tactic used by anti-hunters or anti-public land guys to sandbag hunting groups (you get a job working for a politician who's opposed to BHA and you pose as a hard core, super right wing hunter, and seed the forums with reports that Land Tawney and BHA are George Soros proxies in order to sow division among your enemies).

    Who knows where the truth lies? I do know this: guys like Steve Rinella and Randy Newberg say they support the Hunting and Fishing party, because when they look at the right (Republicans) and the left (Democrats) they find one party wants to take their public lands and the other party wants to take their guns. There's some wisdom in that observation. If you think hunting and conservation are right wing issues and that lefties are people that non-Indigenous hunters and anglers *must have no truck with* I think you're confused. Prior to Horgan getting in and banning the G-Bear hunt is was clear that the Liberals would chuck it under the bus as well if that's what it took to win.

    We need to work through that. As I've pointed out in other threads, I work with two groups that get money from the Real Estate Foundation. The Real Estate Foundation has, in fact, given money to groups that also supported the G-Bear hunt ban. Should we reject money from the Real Estate Foundation on that score? That would seem counter-productive. We need fuel in the tank. If anyone wants to give us money to do what we need to do I say take it. I know people say "Oh, but it always comes with strings". That's not actually true in a significant sense.
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    Re: Behind the glass hunting podcast? BHA?

    Quote Originally Posted by KodiakHntr View Post
    I was thinking about that myself... I seem to recall a lot of comments and rumour about Zeeman working closely with Andrew Weaver around the grizzly hunt right up until it was shut down....

    If anyone has any insight into that now might be a good time to discuss that. Jesse is a member here is he not?

    Comments and rumours are hard to quantify.

    What I do know is this:

    -The NDP pledged to end the g-bear hunt in November of 2016.
    -The BC Liberals pledged to kill the G-bear hunt in April of 2017.
    -The NDP were elected in May 2017.
    -They banned the G-bear "trophy" hunt in August of 2017.
    -They banned the complete g-bear hunt in December of 2017.



    But the writing was on the wall way, way earlier. We were talking about it on this forum, with Weaver, as early as 2014. Search the members list for AJWeaver. He was a member here and he posted here. Lots of discussion and lots of predictions made, including "They'll never ban it, at least not enough to make it stick. As soon as the Liberals get in they'll reverse the ban" through to "We better try to figure this out or we'll lose the whole thing".


    There were three political parties involved - Libs, NDP and Weaver. Weaver supported a hunt, publicly, with meat retention. Some argued that maybe we should be strategic about it. A lot of people talked with Weaver about changes to the hunt for precisely this reason (search this forum - you'll see what I'm talking about).

    Now we know who banned the hunt. That was John Horgan and the NDP. WE also know they lied about it because BCWF asked them explicit questions about the NDPs' plans prior to the election, and guess what? Surprise, surprise, they didn't do what they said they'd do.

    But we also know the Liberals pledged to ban the int.

    Google "NDP pledges to ban grizzly bear hunt", then google "BC Liberals pledge to ban grizzly bear hunt" and then google "Andrew Weaver pledges to ban grizzly bear hunt" or "Green Party pledges to ban grizzly bear hunt".

    If you get the same results I do (you might not, 'cause Google is dishonest) you'll see a pretty consistent story from Weaver and the Greens: they supported a trophy hunt ban, but not a total ban.

    OK, fine. Can you trust the guy as far as you can throw him? Maybe not.

    But...he wasn't the one who banned the hunt, he only said he wanted to ban the trophy hunt, he has a long history of arguing that the hunt was ok if you removed the meat, and...maybe if we'd gotten that we could have lived with it.

    If the Liberals had been elected and had implemented their pledge to end "trophy" hunting of g-bears in the Great Bear Rainforest, maybe we could have lived with it.

    But it was the NDP who banned the whole shooting match.

    How does a charge against Jesse "working closely with Andrew Weaver around the grizzly hunt right up until it was shut down...." even make sense? I repeat: Weaver didn't do it. Horgan did.

    Like I say: rumours and comments. There are guys who clearly nurse a hate for him, but as I've pointed out, Jesse has shown in public where he stands and I've seen his work in private. You've all seen the results of his recent private work (and for that matter, he was instrumental in having hunting and fishing declared essential during the pandemic).

    Jesse is/was a member here. He doesn't spend any time here anymore.
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    Re: Behind the glass hunting podcast? BHA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Chipman View Post


    There were three political parties involved - Libs, NDP and Weaver. Weaver supported a hunt, publicly, with meat retention. Some argued that maybe we should be strategic about it. A lot of people talked with Weaver about changes to the hunt for precisely this reason (search this forum - you'll see what I'm talking about).
    Oh I weren't guessing... Search any of Weavers posts, maybe you will notice a consistent theme there among people who posed direct questions to him that he never answered...

    Now we know who banned the hunt. That was John Horgan and the NDP. WE also know they lied about it because BCWF asked them explicit questions about the NDPs' plans prior to the election, and guess what? Surprise, surprise, they didn't do what they said they'd do.
    We also have some pretty interesting commentary that Weaver supported the NDP on their Site C decision in exchange for the grizzly hunt shut down. Lots of discussion here and on Weavers own site about that. If you go through Weavers own page there is a lot of anti-hunting rhetoric.


    Google "NDP pledges to ban grizzly bear hunt", then google "BC Liberals pledge to ban grizzly bear hunt" and then google "Andrew Weaver pledges to ban grizzly bear hunt" or "Green Party pledges to ban grizzly bear hunt".

    If you get the same results I do (you might not, 'cause Google is dishonest) you'll see a pretty consistent story from Weaver and the Greens: they supported a trophy hunt ban, but not a total ban.
    Weaver was a snake who sucked people in and then used their words against us. You can WATCH it happen here if you go back through all his posts and follow the nutlickers who believed him.

    OK, fine. Can you trust the guy as far as you can throw him? Maybe not.

    But...he wasn't the one who banned the hunt, he only said he wanted to ban the trophy hunt, he has a long history of arguing that the hunt was ok if you removed the meat, and...maybe if we'd gotten that we could have lived with it.

    If the Liberals had been elected and had implemented their pledge to end "trophy" hunting of g-bears in the Great Bear Rainforest, maybe we could have lived with it.

    But it was the NDP who banned the whole shooting match.

    How does a charge against Jesse "working closely with Andrew Weaver around the grizzly hunt right up until it was shut down...." even make sense? I repeat: Weaver didn't do it. Horgan did.

    Like I say: rumours and comments. There are guys who clearly nurse a hate for him, but as I've pointed out, Jesse has shown in public where he stands and I've seen his work in private. You've all seen the results of his recent private work (and for that matter, he was instrumental in having hunting and fishing declared essential during the pandemic).

    Jesse is/was a member here. He doesn't spend any time here anymore.
    "Only wanted to ban....". Did you even read those words when you typed them out? Do you really believe that something that offends someone to the extent that they actively work to BAN it would stop at "oh, shucks, its ok if you eat it and don't keep the hide or claws or skull"? I clearly remember reading that exact discussion with Weaver here.

    Maybe give this some thought: perhaps, just perhaps, Weaver used people under the guise of "only wanting to ban" and "let me help you" and used knowledge gained through that route to get to where he actually wanted to be....
    Think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one Rob.


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    Re: Behind the glass hunting podcast? BHA?

    Kodiak:

    I'm not trying to paint Weaver as a pro-hunter or as an all around awesome guy. I'm saying that the G-bear hunt ban was supported by all three parties, and that Weaver wasn't the one who caused the ban. The NDP did that, they initiated the idea (they'd done it before) and they made it a critical issue for the election (enough of an issue that the Liberals jumped aboard the train).

    Trying to connect Jesse and Weaver and therefore somehow attach blame to Jesse for the G-bear hunt ban is....a stretch.

    "We also have some pretty interesting commentary that Weaver supported the NDP on their Site C decision in exchange for the grizzly hunt shut down."

    If you've got that evidence it would be good to share (publicly or privately) - not so that you can prove to me that you're telling the truth, but because it would be great to demonstrate how wildlife is politicized when it should be apolitical and driven by science. Anytime we can find a smoking gun to use against politicians it's a good thing.
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    Re: Behind the glass hunting podcast? BHA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Would Rather Be Fishing View Post
    Do you have a link? https://www.backcountryhuntersbc.com/#jKIbGM is a square-based site with no portal, link or login that I can see. Similar to https://www.backcountryhunters.ca/

    I have been a member for over a year and never came across such info - and I did look!
    Hey WRBF!

    I'll chat with the membership folks and get back to you. DM me please, or better yet - email: mark_r@telus.net.

    These files are on a community software platform called basecamp.

    Cheers,

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