Behind the glass hunting podcast? BHA?

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Chris Darimont and the Raincoast Machine are tricky guys to deal with. I've talked to Chris several times. I like him, but like many of you, I think he and Raincoast are a complex challenge. There is more going on than they will allow. I'm not sure if that's because they're not very self-aware or because they're really clear on what the mission is and how what they say in public impacts the achievement of the mission.

I also know that an outraged aggressive reponse to Raincoast seems to play to their strengths. They like it.

I know the host, Chris Pryn a bit. Criticism of the podcast is warranted, I think, but I wouldn't be too quick to cast Chris Pryn into the darkness and say "you're dead to me!" Probably better to give him rational (not emotional) input and challenge him to re-address this issue.

A lot of us see a long term anti-hunting social engineering campaign on the part of Raincoast. I certainly do, despite Raincoast's claims to the contrary (which I frankly don't find convincing).

Sometimes our response to that is to immediately say "We're in a fight" and to respond. We've seen that recently and there is a good place for that.

However....not everyone likes to see a fight and they don't all like lots of overt aggression. It's possible that our drive to get 50,000 signatories between two letter writing campaigns is...under-achieiving as a result of this. That is what it is, and like I say, sometimes a fight is exactly what's called for (I've got 3 big brothers, so a little friendly violence makes me feel a bit warm and fuzzy).

But...maybe rather than hammering Chris Pryn real hard it might be better to educate him a bit and encourage him to raise the level of the convo. Podcast fans have seen that happen with Ben O'Brian's podcast and I'm are we can all name a few others that didn't exactly hit all the notes we would have liked.

Just a thought.

Darimont used are good physcological strategy to disarm the Australian.
He declared at the start "I am a hunter". That automatically would throw most people off course and they would adapt a more relaxed posture.
Everything Raincoast publishes is framed in anti hunting/thropy hunting/ killing fashion.
All the studies they do are done to support their anti hunting agenda.
They create an agenda, then they do research to support the agenda.
Now they have invented "Social License to Hunt".
We don't need a social license to hunt.
We need data.

Raincoast has obiously found audience with the BCWF, which Darimont is openly hostile to.

[Greenthumbed]

I know Chris Pryn. I met him at the WSSBC Spences Bridge Sheep count a few years ago. He’s a good guy. We have kept in contact since. He’s a passionate hunter and a conservationist. He devotes his time mentoring new hunters.
I have not listened to his podcast. I don’t have much time for podcasts anymore. Doesn’t sound like he was at his best on this one, but I know that Chris is not the bad guy in this story. He’s a hunter, he’s one of us and he is fighting the good fight. Maybe he didn’t win this one, but I’m sure he’s not giving up on his passion.

[Cabled]

I also know Chris Pryn fairly well, I can say he is a great guy. Did he rush to be the first guy to have Dairmont on his podcast, kinda seems like it. I will say I was disappointed when he said he wasn’t seeing the threat to hunting, at some point in the podcast Dairmont mentions “we’ve been at this for 25 years, we aren’t going away, hunters need to pick their hill to die on” I would like to hear if he sees the threat now? Also I think it’s important to realize Raincoast would like nothing more to divide the hunting community as much as possible.
I think hunters need to come together on this “hill”, they are not going to stop at predators.

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he may be good, but is he smart? the problem is every tom dick and harry want to have a podcast . not all are beneficial.

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what is happening is raincoast, first nations and their allies are working to get the "colonizers" off the land. that takes many forms. stop hunting, land claims, buying guiding territories, etc. only goverments and first nations can profit from the land. its time to force first nations to pay all taxes we pay.

[Rob Chipman]

Adriaticum:

I think you se what Raincoast is doing and how they do it pretty clearly.

I'm a bit confused by your statement "Raincoast has obiously found audience with the BCWF, which Darimont is openly hostile to." What do you mean by that? I'm not looking for a fight, I'm just wondering how you reach that conclusion.

[Harvest the Land]

Haven't listened to this podcast but I do know just how much of a conflicted individual Darimont seems to be imo. I listened to him on the Hunting Collective last year and was vomiting inside my mouth as I was driving.

So it prompted me to engage him on Twitter in a very polite way, asking him why he's got no problem killing blacktails on the Island and Moose in the Interior, but hunting bears doesn't jive with his "values". I simply asked him why Bears seem to have more "value" to him than deer/moose? And how he came to the determination that its "ok" for him to kill ungulates, but it was a "sin" to kill predators. He instantly blocked me on Twitter (he's a total coward). So I looked up his email address on the UVic website and sent him a few lengthy emails asking him the same thing and still haven't gotten a response. He obviously doesn't have the courage to confront his fundamental flaws. Only the worst professors don't respond to legitimate criticisms.

Its guys like Chris Darimont who are trying to impose their "values" on the rest of us, that pose the most dangerous threat to our right to hunt predators. He dresses up as a hunter just to come off as though he's got street Cred; and to come across as though he's not actively trying to reduce hunters rights, because he's "one of us". He's full of shit and a total coward and a very conflicted individual. To think that he's a Professor of resource management & conservation, while indoctrinating all these Millennials about his "values" is scary as f_ck

[Would Rather Be Fishing]

I thought Darimont's line of arguing was very smart. "I am one of you. Come one, you are not really hunting predators for the meat, aren't you? It's more of an ego thing if we are being honest. The rest of the nations doesn't like you for doing it.... Is it really worth it? Think about it... Is it really worth the fight? Just pick your battle! Just give up, the 'resistance is not going away'. Just stop..."

Manipulative.... He would have made a great politician.... Well, I guess, in a way he is. I agree with many here that is is really a shame the host didn't pick up on it, provided him an audience and, in essence, supported him.

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Adriaticum:

I think you se what Raincoast is doing and how they do it pretty clearly.

I'm a bit confused by your statement "Raincoast has obiously found audience with the BCWF, which Darimont is openly hostile to." What do you mean by that? I'm not looking for a fight, I'm just wondering how you reach that conclusion.

There was something I thought he said during the interview that made me think he was working with BCWF on something.
Am I out to lunch?
I may have to re-linsten to this podcast.

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I agree with Harvest The Land, Darimont is an imposter. I am looking into his bio, but can't find anything other than his UVIC credentials and his wolf study.