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Thread: Access Restrictions, information checkpoints, etc.

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    Re: Access Restrictions, information checkpoints, etc.

    Is there interest in collecting data re FSRs that after being upgraded for industrial use were subsequently de activated and left in a considerable less usefull condition (at least in my view) with regards to use by recreational users, than they were before the industrial use ?

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    Re: Access Restrictions, information checkpoints, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by net sync View Post
    Is there interest in collecting data re FSRs that after being upgraded for industrial use were subsequently de activated and left in a considerable less usefull condition (at least in my view) with regards to use by recreational users, than they were before the industrial use ?

    There is interest in that, but it's a prickly subject (and actually, all access issues are pretty prickly). Everyone likes roads that allows them to access more country because it just makes everything easier. At the same time roads demonstrably damage wildlife in a long list of ways.

    I'm just speculating, but at some point we're probably going to have to put the lid on how many roads we have taking us into hunting and fishing areas, and then make sure that those roads remain open. Road hunters can hunt those roads and non-road hunters can use them to get to trailheads.

    The responses I've received so far are pretty balanced across some sort of Indigenous initiated restriction (info through to full restriction), regular FSRs that are somehow restricted and private gates.

    So, yes, I would like any intel on any access restriction.
    Rob Chipman
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    "Grown men do not need leaders" - also Ed Abbey

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    Re: Access Restrictions, information checkpoints, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by .330 Dakota View Post
    Not sure what info you are actually seeking, but we quit hunting Region 6 due to constant interactions with the Taltan and Kaska,,,our last trip was in 2019,,tried to go into the Cassier, and the Kaska drove in and asked us to leave,,we left, as we figured if we didnt they would burn our camp when we went out for the day,,,went up to just south of the Yukon Border,,same thing happened,,,spun around and went down to Tatogga,,camped at the resort,,hunted the rail grade and encountered the Taltan in there,,just got sick of the constant harassment, so we went to the Koots this past year
    That's exactly the type of info we're looking for, but we're looking for more detail. Are you a BCWF member? When did this happen? Do you know who did it? Who else was involved? That sort of thing. You can contact me privately.
    Rob Chipman
    "The idea of wilderness needs no defense, it only needs defenders" - Ed Abbey
    "Grown men do not need leaders" - also Ed Abbey

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    Re: Access Restrictions, information checkpoints, etc.

    As for restriction access.
    I spoke to a fellow this spring while fly fishing.
    He took a Rosie along the Sunshine Coast thru one of the leh permits.
    Cant recall the watershed (damn, getting old), but said there is actually no access aloowed thru the road do to some Mill or mine or some sort of
    Company that the road runs thru.
    Or that "no guns are allowed thru the area", thus making it impossible to get in to hunt even with a legal permit.

    He managed to because he had a native friend, if i recall right.
    (And yes, had success)
    And that he ran into the chief of the area in question, who was also hunting Rosie.
    So, if your FN, you get access and might be because the Company cant stop them? or that it is them stopping it??
    But if you are not, good luck.


    So, hopefully someone here reads this and may know of the area i am speaking of, if i made sense of it??? and contribute to the actual facts.

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    Re: Access Restrictions, information checkpoints, etc.

    I can think of two more spots.

    1) A road that was severely deactivated near Gold Bridge. So bad that you can barely hike it. The deactivation went for a few km's. This particular road was an old spur that had been there for many many years.

    2) Upper Lillooet FSR Hydro Project/First Nation's. Used to be able to drive through the Hydo Project just passed Meager with an escort. However they are ot allowing anyone through anymore. They also recently introduced another road closure a season or two ago at the beginning of the valley. Good LEH goat hunting, blacktail and bears in there. Alot of beautiful country you can no longer access. This one hurts more due the fact that it is a fairly main road.

    That being said I do understand the need to limit access to some areas.
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    Re: Access Restrictions, information checkpoints, etc.

    Thanks for the attempts guys, but....we need something a bit more precise than "A road near Goldbridge" or "can't recall the watershed.." No offence intended, but it did make me chuckle.

    I'll try to run down Upper Lillooet FSR. Last time I was there (2-3 years ago?) it was closed down because of bear/human interaction as far as I know. I went past where the hydro project was but it was blocked further upstream. You're saying it's blocked before the hydro project?
    Rob Chipman
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    "Grown men do not need leaders" - also Ed Abbey

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    Re: Access Restrictions, information checkpoints, etc.

    ^^^^Yup, fair enough.
    I was hoping by posting that someone might see/read it and have better info it, thats all.

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    Re: Access Restrictions, information checkpoints, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Chipman View Post
    Thanks for the attempts guys, but....we need something a bit more precise than "A road near Goldbridge" or "can't recall the watershed.." No offence intended, but it did make me chuckle.

    I'll try to run down Upper Lillooet FSR. Last time I was there (2-3 years ago?) it was closed down because of bear/human interaction as far as I know. I went past where the hydro project was but it was blocked further upstream. You're saying it's blocked before the hydro project?
    Haha sorry about that. I wasn't sure if it would actually qualify for anything but I would be happy to send you the coordinates of the road in question. It's an extremely popular spot.


    With regards to the Upper Lillooet. I was turned back at the check point before the hydro project when I was in there on a goat LEH a couple years ago. They previously let me through with an escort but they stopped allowing that or atleast I was told I couldn't.

    The other closure I was referring to was on the South Lilloot FSR at 2km. I misunderstood the article I read regarding that. My bad.
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    Re: Access Restrictions, information checkpoints, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Chipman View Post
    There is interest in that, but it's a prickly subject (and actually, all access issues are pretty prickly). Everyone likes roads that allows them to access more country because it just makes everything easier. At the same time roads demonstrably damage wildlife in a long list of ways.

    I'm just speculating, but at some point we're probably going to have to put the lid on how many roads we have taking us into hunting and fishing areas, and then make sure that those roads remain open. Road hunters can hunt those roads and non-road hunters can use them to get to trailheads.

    The responses I've received so far are pretty balanced across some sort of Indigenous initiated restriction (info through to full restriction), regular FSRs that are somehow restricted and private gates.

    So, yes, I would like any intel on any access restriction.
    Fair enough, and presumably there is some value in keeping track of existing roads that have been deactivated to varying degrees (at least so one can keep track of how much access there is into a given area.) I'll go thru my notes and recollections and see if I can pm you a concise summary of what happened from my perspective to two road systems. They were both areas where I have seen others hunting over the years.

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    Re: Access Restrictions, information checkpoints, etc.

    I'm curious what are the long term impacts on wildlife of blocking a road so most vehicles can't access it while leaving the right of way for the road more or less intact vs removing the right of way and trying to put it back more or less into the state it was before the road was built ? Presumably blocking most vehicle access while leaving the right of way more or less intact will still impact the wild life in the area ?

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