Here We Go ......

[Rob Chipman]

It's very important to understand that with the passage of Bill 41 UNDRIP is going to be a dominant theme in government policy going forward.

UNDRIP (love it or hate it) is a non-binding aspirational document. It requires a sovereign legislature to give it legal teeth. The federal government has indicated it *wants* to implement UNDRIP, but the BC government has started the process by passing Bill 41.

Again, love it or hate it terms like "free, prior and informed consent" are going to become very important. In the past I only heard that, as far as hunters are concerned, free, prior and informed consent had to be obtained to make changes to hunting regs (I mentioned this in the cow/calf harvest thread, indicating that one reason why a 1 authorization cow/calf LEH existed was because bureaucrats felt that getting rid of it meant they'd never be able to bring it back.

Chief Greg Gabriel has thrown out a new (at least to me) twist: the issuance of hunting licenses for existing seasons requires free, prior and informed consent of the relevant Indigenous group (remember, UNDRIP doesn't require that the free, prior and informed consent come from an Indian Act created FN organization, just to complicate things).

Note also that the Chief refers to the sheep as "ours'. Go bone up on the NAWCM. That model is in direct opposition to the Chief's position. My advice is to treat the NAWCM as a catechism. Learn it and preach it. Educate your MLAs.

Note that the Chief also talks about PIB elders and knowledge keepers. You're going to see more of that, and, like a lot of these things, you can love it or hate it, but I'd advise coming to grips with the concept. It could be turned to our advantage.

Note also that licensed hunters are in the crosshairs, but the reference is vague. It could mean no licensed hunters *for the time being* while reserving the right to Indigenous harvest, or it could mean no licensed hunters ever again. If the former we should probably have a very different reaction than if it's the latter.

I've said it before, and I know a few guys on here who understand the implications don't like it, but in my opinion UNDRIP is here to stay. We can fight it or we can manage it. I think that if we just go to war with First Nations and oppose UNDRIP at every turn we're going to lose big.

I think that if we manage UNDRIP and work with any First Nations that we can we'll be much happier with the results.

This PIB news is big, it shouldn't surprise anyone, and we're going to see more if it. We need to figure out who to come together to work on it to make the finished product look like something we can live with. I don't know what that will look like but I will tell you this: it's going cost a lot of money before we're done.

Talk amongst yourselves...

[dougan]

Well I don’t recognize native law so in short they can blow me.

[Muliechaser]

Well I don’t recognize native law so in short they can blow me.

Couldn't agree more . I am blood native and this shit makes my blood boil . Job . Taxes . Rules . Just like everybody else ...simple . **** me . It's funny cause the band kills the sheep and SELL the horns . ****ing sick

[Mulehahn]

Rob, I agree with what you are saying and to an extent support it. But I think you, and many politicians, are not reading the tea leaves right. Or maybe you are... When you said go to war with the First Nations. The possibility of bloodshed is, and I am scared but believe this to be true, is not far off. The PIB is only a pebble in this avalanche. Look at the Lobster Fishery. Look at Smithers being handed over without consent. Look at all the trespassing happening in the prairies (and the shots already being fired over it)

Yes, there is real race issues happening in the USA and everyone focuses on them, ignoring their own backyard in an effort to feel superior. UNDRIP is a United Nation initiative. The UN is at its core a military entity. When push comes to shove, a military's sole purpose is war and if they push they may get their wish.

[Harvest the Land]

Good post as usual Rob. People should Google the acronym is NAMWC (North American Model for Wildlife Conservation) and inform themselves. Its not perfect, but its definitely a major reason why we still have so many big game animals to hunt in North America

It's very important to understand that with the passage of Bill 41 UNDRIP is going to be a dominant theme in government policy going forward.

UNDRIP (love it or hate it) is a non-binding aspirational document. It requires a sovereign legislature to give it legal teeth. The federal government has indicated it *wants* to implement UNDRIP, but the BC government has started the process by passing Bill 41.

Again, love it or hate it terms like "free, prior and informed consent" are going to become very important. In the past I only heard that, as far as hunters are concerned, free, prior and informed consent had to be obtained to make changes to hunting regs (I mentioned this in the cow/calf harvest thread, indicating that one reason why a 1 authorization cow/calf LEH existed was because bureaucrats felt that getting rid of it meant they'd never be able to bring it back.

Chief Greg Gabriel has thrown out a new (at least to me) twist: the issuance of hunting licenses for existing seasons requires free, prior and informed consent of the relevant Indigenous group (remember, UNDRIP doesn't require that the free, prior and informed consent come from an Indian Act created FN organization, just to complicate things).

Note also that the Chief refers to the sheep as "ours'. Go bone up on the NAWCM. That model is in direct opposition to the Chief's position. My advice is to treat the NAWCM as a catechism. Learn it and preach it. Educate your MLAs.

Note that the Chief also talks about PIB elders and knowledge keepers. You're going to see more of that, and, like a lot of these things, you can love it or hate it, but I'd advise coming to grips with the concept. It could be turned to our advantage.

Note also that licensed hunters are in the crosshairs, but the reference is vague. It could mean no licensed hunters *for the time being* while reserving the right to Indigenous harvest, or it could mean no licensed hunters ever again. If the former we should probably have a very different reaction than if it's the latter.

I've said it before, and I know a few guys on here who understand the implications don't like it, but in my opinion UNDRIP is here to stay. We can fight it or we can manage it. I think that if we just go to war with First Nations and oppose UNDRIP at every turn we're going to lose big.

I think that if we manage UNDRIP and work with any First Nations that we can we'll be much happier with the results.

This PIB news is big, it shouldn't surprise anyone, and we're going to see more if it. We need to figure out who to come together to work on it to make the finished product look like something we can live with. I don't know what that will look like but I will tell you this: it's going cost a lot of money before we're done.

Talk amongst yourselves...

[HarryToolips]

The last line makes me want to puke....maybe the elders and knowledge keepers should keep their own ppl in check in order to be the true stewards of the land...who knows, if they can successfully do that then maybe one day they can take down the 'respect the cow moose and elk' posters that are posted at the entrance to Carmi main in order to constantly remind and educate said band members to actually 'respect the cow moose and elk'...I know this particular article is about sheep but their hypocrisy is absolutely disgusting..

[338win mag]

I won't be embracing anything.
Of course the elders and knowledge keepers said this and that. If elders means "smart" its important to know some old people never grow up.
I can produce some old people who will tell you to shove it up your ass too.

I know exactly how we got here, and I know exactly who brought it.

[338win mag]

To entrust anyone from the PIB with any knowledge of wildlife, harvesting, ethics, or the morality of hunting is laughable as some of the biggest assholes I have ever met and worked with are from the PIB, total poachers so I can see the elders giving the advice, and there is the real problem.

[russm86]

Ironic coming from people who traditionally wiped out all animals in their local area before packing up and moving onto the next area... This was the reason they were nomads and supposedly traveled long distances, they needed food, otherwise there would have been no reason for them to leave where they were.

[skibum]

What a lazy f'in story.

No attempt to dig a little deeper and ask why the province thinks the hunt should go on.