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    Re: Wildlife Management, BC vs US

    The U.S. also has mandates and legislation and budgets, both federal and statewide , to look after public lands
    Bureau of Land Mnagement is responsible for huge tracts of land, on a relative scale to BC of course.
    Logging companies are dictated to, not asked to self monitor
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    Re: Wildlife Management, BC vs US

    Having bowhunted big game in Colorado, Arizona, Nebraska, Kansas, Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, Oregon, California, Wisconsin, Alaska and New Mexico, in general the archery opportunities are significantly better for white tails, mule deer and elk over the counter as applicable or via LEH in most of the states referenced.

    Drawing tags are very good for elk, deer, goats and Bighorn or Desert sheep but can be difficult to get. That said some states still have over the counter tags for elk and deer. Montana has an over the counter Bighorn unit but success is extremely low. I think the season closes after a certain number of rams are taken, which is how most state’s cougar hunting is handled.

    BC has excellent Stone Sheep, black bear and goat hunting. Maybe the best around in terms of numbers if not size. Too bad our caribou numbers and moose in many areas are low. But as JimBob says, all the different species sure make it a good place to be a hunter.
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    Re: Wildlife Management, BC vs US

    Its fairly straightforward. In most (if not all) of the big hunting States, they realize how important it is to invest in Wildlife Mgt & research because of the trickle down effects it has on the economies of many small towns. So many people travel from out of state and drop big $$ in these hunting states (guides, hotels, gas, restaurants, gear from local sporting goods stores, tags etc.) and if there's no animals to hunt then all of that precious out of state $$ goes to nil.

    One example I can give is the state of Idaho. They have a population of just over a million people and their annual wildlife budget is just over $100 million/year. Here in neighboring BC, we have about 5 times the population and spend about $40 million (less than half of what Idaho spends) on Wildlife Mgt (and almost none of that is spent on the research side). So it stands to reason that if we cared as much as Idaho does about wildlife mgt & research, we should be spending at least $500 million per year. The difference in investment dollars between BC and US states is staggering. We're not even in the same league
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    Re: Wildlife Management, BC vs US

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbob View Post
    Every State is different, some are much better than others. Simply saying the US manages better than BC doesn't make any sense. You need to compare to individual states.

    The grass is always greener on the other side is a wise saying. We have it amazingly well here in BC yet people think its sucks. Moving here to BC I feel like I hit the hunting jackpot yet a bunch of others are complaining. I'm sure it can be tweaked and fixed and we need to be careful where we are headed but to be a BC resident hunter and complain about tag opportunity is absolutely ridiculous. There are few other places with the opportunities that we have.

    I can choose to hunt deer, caribou, STONE SHEEP, goats, moose, elk, bear, cougar all GOS this year if I want, that is flat out amazing.

    One thing that we are lucky about in BC is that we do not allow other Canadians to come hunt here. Imagine any Canadian could come hunt our GOS areas? We would be over run with hunters. That is how many of the states manage their hunting, non-resident hunters dominate the landscape. It's the system they use and it brings a lot of money and opportunities but it sure drives up hunting pressure. So I'm glad BC doesn't do that.





    Also, point creep is a horrible thing in many states. Imagine starting out as a young hunter knowing you will not draw for 25 yrs? The benefit of the lottery system is that you ALWAYS have a chance. I hear a lot of hunters that have a point system say they wish they didn't. Now, I'm sure it has some benefits as well but its not the magic pill and we need to be careful what we wish for.
    Fair, but to see the loss of animals and opportunity over the last several decades is heart breaking. As a kid we had a 2 month any bull GOS, now it is 3 days. We could assume that if we spend time on the rivers we would do well with salmon, now the rivers do not even open to white folks. I would say that this is a result of mismanagement more than anything else. Yes, we live in the best place on earth but at the rate things are going my kids will not hunt moose or fish salmon, which have both been family traditions for many many generations.

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    Re: Wildlife Management, BC vs US

    I hear ya there. I would rather make comparisons to the past and critique what we are doing than compare with how States manage. The US is so different that comparing to them seems crazy. I'm sure we can learn a few things though.

    Seeing moose, caribou and salmon numbers go down is disheartening for sure.

    More money always seems like the answer but where does the money come from?

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    Re: Wildlife Management, BC vs US

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbob View Post
    I hear ya there. I would rather make comparisons to the past and critique what we are doing than compare with how States manage. The US is so different that comparing to them seems crazy. I'm sure we can learn a few things though.

    Seeing moose, caribou and salmon numbers go down is disheartening for sure.

    More money always seems like the answer but where does the money come from?
    Federal grants. Canadian governments cannot compare to the amount of money that the US government grants to various states for managing wildlife.

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    Re: Wildlife Management, BC vs US

    Quote Originally Posted by 325 View Post
    Totally. I hunted Montana about 3-4 years ago and was absolutely blown away with the number of animals. Also, the population of Montana is really hunter-friendly and take wildlife management seriously
    self hunt or guided? How did you do? Did you ever post about it? Would love to read up on a trip like this

    I drove to Montana some years ago. Truly a beautiful place.

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    Re: Wildlife Management, BC vs US

    Well for one many states actually use money from tags to fund their f&w departments.
    I thought that was why we have LIC. and tag costs

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    Re: Wildlife Management, BC vs US

    Quote Originally Posted by twoSevenO View Post
    self hunt or guided? How did you do? Did you ever post about it? Would love to read up on a trip like this

    I drove to Montana some years ago. Truly a beautiful place.
    Self-guided. My hunting partners brother lives in Montana, and we went down and hunted with him. It's really easy for non-residents to hunt there.

    I never posted about it. I just can't deal with the difficulty posting photos on this site, lol.
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    Re: Wildlife Management, BC vs US

    Quote Originally Posted by J_T View Post
    I would add, the approach of most American states is to consult and work with "hunters". For the most part in our neighbouring states, the objective of wildlife management is to provide for hunting opportunity. All methods of hunting. This is a fundamental difference in why wildlife management is carried out. They likely have a baseline to begin with and an inventory of the wildlife and the habitat. They understand the pressure points, and the drivers of managing opportunity. They have an objective, a strategy, a species specific plan and the ability to monitor and measure the success of their efforts (actions on the ground), and make necessary adjustments.
    J-T,

    Just wanted to ask (maybe you might have some insight)
    How do they down there work with the resource sectors "Any differently" that may also make a difference??, if they do at all.
    I guess also another question is, is there any differences with the cattle ranchers etc down there??

    Just trying to figure out "what actually is working down there" to make a difference at times compared to here.
    What is different and what is the same, to eliminate things that cant be change and change those that can be and can help.

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