moose cull to save caribou?? wtf

[gcreek]

do you know if the population of moose is anywhere near carrying capacity....a 55% increase if we were only at 10% of carrying capacity is nothing more than a good start at recovery not justification for a population reduction/increased harvest....

Yes, much better to use percentages than actual numbers. Moose count here in early 2019, two helicopters and a fixed wing. Counted 107 moose on west side of Itcha mountains from Anahim Lake to Tatla Lake general area. Moose allocations for LEH last fall in same area was about 160 bulls. Some Ting Wong.

[180grainer]

From what I understand, their plan is to continue a rather aggressive wolf cull in the specified areas where they are also asking hunters to harvest moose.

So, you're the second person to suggest an "aggressive wolf cull" is taking place. Government doesn't do anything like that without written policy and procedures, assigned budget and people. If you can't demonstrate this in any form, I wished you'd stick to what you do know. My position is, unless otherwise demonstrated, there is no Government direction advocating an "aggressive" wolf cull anywhere in BC. Prove me wrong.

[wideopenthrottle]

Yes, much better to use percentages than actual numbers. Moose count here in early 2019, two helicopters and a fixed wing. Counted 107 moose on west side of Itcha mountains from Anahim Lake to Tatla Lake general area. Moose allocations for LEH last fall in same area was about 160 bulls. Some Ting Wong.

if those were the official numbers the area could have gone from 70 moose to 108 in 2 years =55% increase but if the area has a carrying capacity of 2000 moose, there would still be a long road to recovery

[2chodi]

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/en..._reduction.pdf

So, you're the second person to suggest an "aggressive wolf cull" is taking place. Government doesn't do anything like that without written policy and procedures, assigned budget and people. If you can't demonstrate this in any form, I wished you'd stick to what you do know. My position is, unless otherwise demonstrated, there is no Government direction advocating an "aggressive" wolf cull anywhere in BC. Prove me wrong.

[gcreek]

if those were the official numbers the area could have gone from 70 moose to 108 in 2 years =55% increase but if the area has a carrying capacity of 2000 moose, there would still be a long road to recovery

IIRC, the numbers two years previous were nearly double. Also an interesting observation by those counting were most moose were in close proximity to ranches and hay yards. Safety maybe also?

I was speaking tongue in cheek concerning percentages.

[Ride Red]

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/en..._reduction.pdf

Great info 2chodi, thanks. Everyone should read this.

[180grainer]

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/en..._reduction.pdf

Thanks, after a short read, I guess they have. 2 wolves per 1000 square k? Too bad they don't do that as a general game management strategy. I still say you haven't kill enough wolves if you're thinking of killing moose to either kill wolves or have them move on.

[gcreek]

Thanks, after a short read, I guess they have. 2 wolves per 1000 square k? Too bad they don't do that as a general game management strategy. I still say you haven't kill enough wolves if you're thinking of killing moose to either kill wolves or have them move on.

My thoughts as well. Taking them out of a small area is like pulling your finger out of a glass of water considering the population of wolves province wide.

1000 sq. km. is not that big of an area when you really think of it 20 x 50 km......
How many prey animals are supposed to inhabit the same area considering a mature wolf will eat the equivalent of 10 full grown moose in a year?

[bownut]

Wonder how much of this concludes with further study needed?
Go deep into the story and find the truth.........

http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/wld/speciesconservation/mc/files/Recommendations_Predator-Prey_Management_Final.pdf

[bownut]

Chew on this also.
cbc.ca/news/canada/north/yukon-moose-harvest-pressure-map-1.4016653