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    Below is a CBC News article regarding antlerless moose harvest.



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    Activist 'shocked, disappointed, disgusted' by province's move to increase antlerless moose hunt

    Moose hunt increase would ultimately protect mountain caribou, province says

    CBC News · Posted: Jun 09, 2020 4:48 PM PT | Last Updated: June 9

    https://i.cbc.ca/1.3486695.150794305...d-her-calf.jpg

    Dan Simmons says cow moose and calves are essential for moose populations, so they should never be hunted. (Brian Tucker)

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    Advocates for ending the hunt of antlerless moose are concerned about a potential increase in the number of cow moose and calves that can be hunted and harvested in some parts of the province.

    For the past five years, Dan Simmons has been leading the charge for the Cow Moose Sign project, which was created to inform others about the importance of antlerless moose. He has signed agreements with local First Nations, guide outfitters and local governments to ensure protection of the local cow moose population.

    "The cow moose shouldn't be hunted at all, or the calf moose," he told Daybreak North host Carolina de Ryk.

    "If we harvest antlerless moose, we're taking away from the population and it's clearly known throughout the province ... that the moose population is declining. So why would we kill antlerless moose?"

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    ​?Esdilagh First Nation partners with conservation officers to enforce ban on moose hunting

    He said he was "shocked, disappointed, disgusted" to learn the provincial government is looking at an increase to the number of antlerless moose that could be hunted this year — official numbers are expected to be released in the coming days or weeks.

    B.C.'s director of wildlife and habitat, Jennifer Psyllakis, said the proposed numbers for moose cow and calf tags are not significant over last year — in 2019, 357 authorizations were issued, and this year, the province is looking to increase that to 400. Of the 357 tags issued in 2019, 79 antlerless moose were killed.

    Reducing predators of mountain caribou

    Reducing the number of moose in particular areas is expected to reduce the number of wolves, which are threatening mountain caribou, according to the B.C. Ministry of Forests, Lands, Natural Resources and Rural Development.

    "Mountain caribou recovery is a top priority for this government; it is a worthwhile trade-off to remove a few moose, a species whose population is secure throughout the northern hemisphere, if it assists in saving another species from extinction," the ministry said in an emailed statement.

    Wolf attack prompts call for action from Port Edward mayor

    First Nations partner with B.C., Canada to protect endangered caribou

    "The number of authorizations that are being considered for antlerless moose are very localized, primarily in two areas of the province where caribou populations and herds are being actively managed for recovery," Psykallis said.

    Logging is continuing on critical caribou habitat in B.C., study finds

    "Almost all of the authorizations and all of the expected harvest is expected to occur within those very localized areas. The research that the province is working on is looking at multiple management actions that are aimed towards recovering caribou in these particular areas."

    https://i.cbc.ca/1.4635881.155321678...-c-caribou.jpg

    Allowing people to hunt anterless moose will reduce the number of wolves in some areas, which in turn will help protect caribou, the province says. (British Columbia Forest Service/Canadian Press)

    Simmons, however, doesn't believe that one species should be "sacrificed" to save another.

    He said he and his supporters, including B.C. MLA Donna Barnett, will continue to fight this decision. The B.C. Liberal party has started an online petition to end the hunt on antlerless moose. As of Tuesday afternoon, it had garnered more than 2,300 signatures since it was launched four days before.

    "I want [the provincial government] just to know that we're going to fight this to the end," Simmons said.

    "We're going to try to stop this antlerless hunt.

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    SOUND OFF: Logic behind government’s moose cull makes little sense

    Jun 11, 2020

    HOW WILL KILLING MOOSE CALVES AND MOTHERS save the endangered mountain caribou? This is a question on the minds of many British Columbians because and it’s the latest misguided step in the NDP government’s failed caribou recovery plan. Needless to say, the logic is a bit difficult to follow. The thinking behind declaring open season on baby moose and their mothers is as follows: our B.C. caribou populations are in worrying decline; wolves are one of the primary predators of our caribou; wolves also eat moose, so by killing more moose we will effectively reduce wolf populations and therefore save the caribou.

    It doesn’t take a conservationist to understand why this plan is a bit flawed. I am by no means a wolf expert, but I don’t believe them to be very picky eaters. If a wolf can’t find a moose, I am sure they would be more than happy to hunt more caribou if need be, meaning that this plan runs the risk of backfiring and endangering our caribou populations even further. It is also a matter of ethics and whether this feels like the right action or not. I fully support controlled game hunting in this province, but there are so many other actions we could take to save caribou that are far more effective than killing moose calves and mothers.

    But most importantly, this action is a contentious issue for so many British Columbians because it goes beyond just saving moose or even the caribou and highlights the growing regional divide in our province. Our rural communities are often ignored and kept away from the consultation table even on decisions that impact their regions. The caribou recovery plan has been a prime example of this.

    Ever since they took office, the NDP have negotiated the caribou recovery plan behind closed doors, leaving northern MLAs and the public largely out of the consultation process. Even when the NDP finally opened public consultation and British Columbians expressed their deep concerns that the current caribou recovery plan would impact jobs and the economy in the North, the NDP steamed ahead with little consideration for what they were putting at risk.



    Even when the BC Liberals introduced a petition of more than 12,000 signatures to the B.C. Legislature outlining their constituents’ disappointment with how John Horgan and the NDP were handling the consultation process, no meaningful action taken. The public consultation process was so poorly carried out that the NDP’s own appointed Community Liason resigned in protest.

    This lack of transparency and community engagement is exactly why thousands of British Columbians have signed a petition to stop the NDP from allowing the culling of baby moose and their mothers.

    If you would like to see this government listen to our communities and develop a plan that will effectively save our caribou, you can add your voice to the petition that I’ve linked to on my MLA Facebook page.

    Let’s tell the NDP to listen to our communities and save the caribou — without sacrificing baby moose.

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    Editor’s Note: This opinion piece reflects the views of its author, and does not necessarily represent the views of CFJC Today or the Jim Pattison Broadcast Group.

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    Re: moose cull to save caribou?? wtf

    I started a thread about this over a week ago, it has about six pages of info, yet it has mysteriously disappeared????? WTF indeed!
    If we’re not supposed to eat animals, how come they’re made out of meat?

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    The related Petition:

    https://www.change.org/p/premier-joh...-horgan-s-plan

    And yeah, I signed and shared it fairly widely...

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    Re: moose cull to save caribou?? wtf

    I would challenge anyone who feels strongly opposed to this subject to at least take a listen to this podcast as it provides a lot of information that may help people see why the cow/calf harvest could be justifiable and reasonable. It also clears up lots of misinformation that is being spread. I still don’t know where I lay on this subject but please listen to this Podcast to get a different view on this topic
    https://thehunterconservationist.com...-cat-strategy/

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    Signed and shared. The BC NDP are completely incompetent and this has got to be one of their most asinine wildlife mgt proposals of all time (and they've accumulate a long list of dumb ideas). 2021 Election can't come soon enough. Wilkinson better step up his game. Maybe he should borrow Christy's hard hat and try to learn how to smile, or else we're all ****ed for another 4 years!
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    Re: moose cull to save caribou?? wtf

    Quote Originally Posted by Harvest the Land View Post
    Signed and shared. The BC NDP are completely incompetent and this has got to be one of their most asinine wildlife mgt proposals of all time (and they've accumulate a long list of dumb ideas). 2021 Election can't come soon enough. Wilkinson better step up his game. Maybe he should borrow Christy's hard hat and try to learn how to smile, or else we're all ****ed for another 4 years!
    Hilarious because this plan was originally made by the liberals and now they are calling the NDP "unconscionable" for following the liberal plan. Don't mistake my frustration for NDP support. They are all crooked and this is politics, but to blame this solely on the NDP is ridiculous. The Liberals are the reason we are in this mess and the NDP is continuing the damage to our wildlife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllDay View Post
    I would challenge anyone who feels strongly opposed to this subject to at least take a listen to this podcast as it provides a lot of information that may help people see why the cow/calf harvest could be justifiable and reasonable. It also clears up lots of misinformation that is being spread. I still don’t know where I lay on this subject but please listen to this Podcast to get a different view on this topic
    https://thehunterconservationist.com...-cat-strategy/

    Agreed! Very interesting view on the topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllDay View Post
    I would challenge anyone who feels strongly opposed to this subject to at least take a listen to this podcast as it provides a lot of information that may help people see why the cow/calf harvest could be justifiable and reasonable. It also clears up lots of misinformation that is being spread. I still don’t know where I lay on this subject but please listen to this Podcast to get a different view on this topic
    https://thehunterconservationist.com...-cat-strategy/
    I listened to the podcast. Interesting conversation, but one problem still exists; too many wolves and reducing moose won’t fix the problem as the wolves will move onto caribou more once the moose population is reduced. Fix the problem by reducing the wolf population, period. Once and only once the wolf population has been brought under control can any other programs thought to work be implemented. Example; If Superstore closes, then everyone shifts to the next easiest grocery store, they don’t move out of town.
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