moose cull to save caribou?? wtf

[Harvest the Land]

Hilarious because this plan was originally made by the liberals and now they are calling the NDP "unconscionable" for following the liberal plan. Don't mistake my frustration for NDP support. They are all crooked and this is politics, but to blame this solely on the NDP is ridiculous. The Liberals are the reason we are in this mess and the NDP is continuing the damage to our wildlife.

I totally agree that both parties suck, and neither seems to give a f_ck about wildlife mgt & research. Although the BC Libs never banned the black bear hunt in the 90's, nor did they ban the Grizz hunt. Can you show me where I can read more about this originally being a plan made by the BC Liberals? I know they were the architects of the wolf culls, but did not know they were also the architects of any moose cull. Would love to read more about that.

Thanks in advance!

[butthead]

unlimited wolf season day night when ever
get rid of the wolfs

[m5wilson]

I have never understood this and likely will never be convinced it is a good idea. If the goal is to reduce wolves, kill wolves. Don't kill moose and wolves to reduce wolves. A cull of the wolves would make far more sense as others have stated wolves won't just give up, they will eat something else. Also wouldn't a quick death from a cull be more humane than starvation?

I do think that the caribou recovery is more complex than just wolves but in the short term that's likely the most detrimental factor.

[Redthies]

I’m going to ask the same damn question I asked in my disappearing thread... Why not relocate these moose? There are other regions with critically low moose populations!

[2chodi]

You can see the numbers from the 2004 and 2005 LEH Synopses - numbers went way down in 2006.

http://a100.gov.bc.ca/appsdata/acat/...cc0c1846a9.pdf

http://a100.gov.bc.ca/appsdata/acat/...cc0c1846a9.pdf

[AllDay]

I totally agree that both parties suck, and neither seems to give a f_ck about wildlife mgt & research. Although the BC Libs never banned the black bear hunt in the 90's, nor did they ban the Grizz hunt. Can you show me where I can read more about this originally being a plan made by the BC Liberals? I know they were the architects of the wolf culls, but did not know they were also the architects of any moose cull. Would love to read more about that.

Thanks in advance!

Here is one article I could find by a journalist on this topic. I am sure if one went back and looked at the various LEH draws they could see that moose cow/calf harvest rates are actually down overall with the NDP. I just don’t have the time to research this topic that thoroughly right now.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Letter...-mismanagement

[AllDay]

I’m going to ask the same damn question I asked in my disappearing thread... Why not relocate these moose? There are other regions with critically low moose populations!

I hear you there. I wonder if this would be feasible? I am sure moving a 300 lb “baby moose” would be an interesting venture!

And many people are right, there isn’t any conclusive evidence that this plan will work, but it does have scientific merit.

The question I am asking myself: is reducing a small amount of cow/calf moose in a sustainable way, in an area with a steadily increasing moose numbers (even after larger cow/calf harvest than the current one proposed) worth the risk to stop the woodland caribou from ending up on a museum?

[Harvest the Land]

Here is one article I could find by a journalist on this topic. I am sure if one went back and looked at the various LEH draws they could see that moose cow/calf harvest rates are actually down overall with the NDP. I just don’t have the time to research this topic that thoroughly right now.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Letter...-mismanagement

Dude, this was an Op-ed letter written a week ago and it wasn't written by a journalist - it was written by the current NDP Minister of Forests and Natural Resources Doug Donaldson! Of course he's going to defend his govt's moose cull mgt policy.

Please show me where I can read more about the BC Libs moose cull policy when they were in power because I would like to educate myself and learn more about it. I've searched online and can't seem to find anything about a BC Liberal government moose cull.

[Walking Buffalo]

Hilarious because this plan was originally made by the liberals and now they are calling the NDP "unconscionable" for following the liberal plan. Don't mistake my frustration for NDP support. They are all crooked and this is politics, but to blame this solely on the NDP is ridiculous. The Liberals are the reason we are in this mess and the NDP is continuing the damage to our wildlife.

This is where history is important.

When the Liberals started their cull program, the theory had never been tried on the ground in real life.
The Liberals, as did the Conservative Alberta government at the same time, were desperate to avoid International public outcry if they killed wolves.
Biologists offered the theory of density dependant moose/wolf population management as a distant second to culling wolves for the purpose of protecting caribou.
The politicians went with number two.

Move forward ten years.

After several attempts to test the moose cull theory, it was learned that it did NOT work.
So the Liberal BC and Conservative Alberta governments stopped using it.

Now, the BC NDP, despite now knowing that this concept does not work, wants to do it again anyways....

[AllDay]

This is where history is important.

When the Liberals started their cull program, the theory had never been tried on the ground in real life.
The Liberals, as did the Conservative Alberta government at the same time, were desperate to avoid International public outcry if they killed wolves.
Biologists offered the theory of density dependant moose/wolf population management as a distant second to culling wolves for the purpose of protecting caribou.
The politicians went with number two.

Move forward ten years.

After several attempts to test the moose cull theory, it was learned that it did NOT work.
So the Liberal BC and Conservative Alberta governments stopped using it.

Now, the BC NDP, despite now knowing that this concept does not work, wants to do it again anyways....

Thank you for the history! Context is important, as I was not even hunting when this was all transpiring, so I am currently trying to learn about the various aspects.

From what I understood, culling wolves alone was not sufficient. I thought that it was only a combination of culling wolves, reducing moose, and maternal penning that resulted in the best results (increase of 4% per year of caribou). That being said, I have not done enough fact checking yet to determine the accuracy of the statement I have been told. The topic is very interesting though and I understand why people are concerned about the notion of killing the female and child of any game species, especially when said species is in large decline province wide.