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    Re: moose cull to save caribou?? wtf

    You know absolutely that when the moose population gets decimated, the first thing that will happen is the government will shut down resident moose hunting or seriously reduce it, due to First Nations concerns about their ability to sustenance hunt. That will increase the hostility between us and the FN because the "Government" decided to have all the moose shot. The FN and Resident hunters of this province could probably have some of the most awesome moose hunting around, if Government policy was about having abundant hunt-able wildlife populations as the goal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 180grainer View Post
    You know absolutely that when the moose population gets decimated, the first thing that will happen is the government will shut down resident moose hunting or seriously reduce it, due to First Nations concerns about their ability to sustenance hunt. That will increase the hostility between us and the FN because the "Government" decided to have all the moose shot. The FN and Resident hunters of this province could probably have some of the most awesome moose hunting around, if Government policy was about having abundant hunt-able wildlife populations as the goal.
    Hmm absolutely agree..
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronNoggin View Post
    There is an informal program underway in Alberta termed the Save A Doe campaign.
    In essence, the government issues far more doe tags (mulies in this case) than could ever be considered sustainable. All part and parcel of their intentional destruction of the southern mulie herds in the name of CWD.
    Locals apply for the the tags when on LEH. Or buy them when they are cross-counter tags.
    Then burn them.

    I believe this is the route we should go in this case here.
    I did apply, and I will burn them if I get "Lucky"...

    Save a moose calf / cow campaign anyone?

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    This is not a "moose cull". Far from it.

    Jesse has been open about sharing facts, not hearsay. It's disappointing to see all of the misinformation and outright lies from the usual suspects talking in circles and getting the uninformed stirred up. There is a small increase in tags in one area. An area that has seen the moose population increase 55% in 2 years and has heavy wolf reduction going on.

    Hunters cried for science-based management when the grizzly hunt was shut down. Can't cherry pick when science doesn't align with your socially-motivated stance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HighCountryBC View Post
    This is not a "moose cull". Far from it.

    Jesse has been open about sharing facts, not hearsay. It's disappointing to see all of the misinformation and outright lies from the usual suspects talking in circles and getting the uninformed stirred up. There is a small increase in tags in one area. An area that has seen the moose population increase 55% in 2 years and has heavy wolf reduction going on.

    Hunters cried for science-based management when the grizzly hunt was shut down. Can't cherry pick when science doesn't align with your socially-motivated stance.
    Science says, if you kill the predators, the prey populations will increase. What's not to get about that? The only reason a moose cull is being proposed is because it's politically unpalatable to be seen killing a high percentage of the wolves in that area. A moose cull to indirectly affect the wolf population, so the predation of Caribou is less, is a means around the "science" that says "directly" eliminating the wolves is the most effective practice. This is not science. It's politics. We know how to save those Caribou. Kill a high percentage of wolves in that area.

    We do not actively manage predators in this province at all. It's a huge problem. And it's a political one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 180grainer View Post
    Science says, if you kill the predators, the prey populations will increase. What's not to get about that? The only reason a moose cull is being proposed is because it's politically unpalatable to be seen killing a high percentage of the wolves in that area. A moose cull to indirectly affect the wolf population, so the predation of Caribou is less, is a means around the "science" that says "directly" eliminating the wolves is the most effective practice. This is not science. It's politics. We know how to save those Caribou. Kill a high percentage of wolves in that area.
    And a high percentage of wolves are being removed. Antlerless harvest is a piece of managing wildlife populations across every jurisdiction in North America. People have been stirred into a frenzy over the term "moose cull" which is not even remotely close to what this is. It's an increase of a handful of tags in one area that is seeing heavy wolf reduction as well.

    Using terms like "mommies and their babies" is what anti's do.
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    The thing is science is two parts. The theory and the experiment. Lots of people have gone to great lengths to espouse the theory behind this, including Jesse. The problem is that this exact same theory has been put into practice in other areas and the outcome was dismal. The theory did not work.

    "The*definition of Stupidity*is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"

    Killing moose results in wolves targeting more caribou, this has been proven. Killing wolves results more ungulates which buys time but will still result in the exterpation of the caribou, it will just take longer. The only hope for the caribou is habitat. Caribou habitat is not moose habitat. Caribou cannot adapt to living in proximity to humans, this has been proven by science. To save the caribou you have to stop mining, logging, houses, roads, and monoculture planting. Inshort, you would have to sacrifice countless jobs, unfathomable money, and more. If we aren't willing to do that then have to decide when is a good time to met them disappear forever. Now, or spend millions and postpone it a decade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HighCountryBC View Post
    And a high percentage of wolves are being removed. Antlerless harvest is a piece of managing wildlife populations across every jurisdiction in North America. People have been stirred into a frenzy over the term "moose cull" which is not even remotely close to what this is. It's an increase of a handful of tags in one area that is seeing heavy wolf reduction as well.

    Using terms like "mommies and their babies" is what anti's do.
    Are you suggesting the Province is actively culling a significant percentage of the wolves in that area? Please provide that information if you can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulehahn View Post
    The thing is science is two parts. The theory and the experiment. Lots of people have gone to great lengths to espouse the theory behind this, including Jesse. The problem is that this exact same theory has been put into practice in other areas and the outcome was dismal. The theory did not work.

    "The*definition of Stupidity*is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"

    Killing moose results in wolves targeting more caribou, this has been proven. Killing wolves results more ungulates which buys time but will still result in the exterpation of the caribou, it will just take longer. The only hope for the caribou is habitat. Caribou habitat is not moose habitat. Caribou cannot adapt to living in proximity to humans, this has been proven by science. To save the caribou you have to stop mining, logging, houses, roads, and monoculture planting. Inshort, you would have to sacrifice countless jobs, unfathomable money, and more. If we aren't willing to do that then have to decide when is a good time to met them disappear forever. Now, or spend millions and postpone it a decade.
    The tabled fix has been tried and failed in the past. Cull the wolves and let the results unfold. Too many blind people in this world.
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    Re: moose cull to save caribou?? wtf

    Quote Originally Posted by HighCountryBC View Post
    This is not a "moose cull". Far from it.

    Jesse has been open about sharing facts, not hearsay. It's disappointing to see all of the misinformation and outright lies from the usual suspects talking in circles and getting the uninformed stirred up. There is a small increase in tags in one area. An area that has seen the moose population increase 55% in 2 years and has heavy wolf reduction going on.

    Hunters cried for science-based management when the grizzly hunt was shut down. Can't cherry pick when science doesn't align with your socially-motivated stance.
    BCWF has been known to accept funds from known environmental groups in order to “enhance” wildlife.

    Could it be that their support for this issue is due to a promise of more funding or a cutting of existing “cooperation” from same groups?

    Makes one wonder................

    As has been stated several times, this is a political ploy to keep from having to do the obviously needed lessening of predator populations.

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