New Management Measures for the Recreational Harvest of Shrimps and Prawns

[limit time]

Jack,

To be sure you get what I'm saying I'll just say it.

The reason we must shed this "recreational" label, and have legislation amended, is for Legal standing.

Harvesting wild food is an inherent right for ALL humans, not just a selected few.
Even the UN is working on a new policy to make it so in International law, Food as a Human Right.

We must stop allowing governments to call the exercising of basic human rights as simply "recreational".
As you noted, anti-hunting and fishing advocates have taken to torching the weak legal status of the term "recreational".

Don't be stubborn just to be stubborn.
To re-enforce within law that it is your Natural Human right to be able to fish, hunt, pick mushrooms and berries, stop describing your actions as recreational or as a sport.

I’ve always felt this way. Hunting, fishing, picking and guns, are a right . They are not sports, hobbies or a privilege. (Imo)

[Spy]

Now you start undertaking why I say hunting is not a “sport” stop labeling shir it’s fishing for food not “recreational”
This is Canada why the **** does my “white” kid have less rights than a native kid?

[Salty]

I never kept my limit under the existing quotas of 200 prawns per day per licence unless I had company or something or someone to give them to. I don't keep limits just because, I keep what I can eat. I don't think any one will starve on 125 prawns PDPL. But I do recognise the thumbs down threads quota must be met around here and all the other forums, its all that's posted any more; as just about everyone drifts away from the endless negativity.

[wideopenthrottle]

how much would the old limit look like in a 5 gal pail almost a full 5 gal bucket?

last time i went 3 of us split the catch and had about 1/2 a 5 gal pail each...maybe 3 meals worth including the squat lobster (lagostinas?) once cleaned up.

[Islandeer]

Consider that on Vancouver Island early immigrants were hunters and fisherman. Many also foraged for mushrooms and natural herbs etc. They brought their traditional, cultural and ceremonial practices from other cultures across the seas. These traditions were shared by elders with younger members of their family units. This transfer of knowledge was not passed on a piece of paper, it was done orally, passed down by those with the valuable life experiences.

Here is where it gets interesting, this sharing of traditional hunter gatherer knowledge did not just start upon getting off a boat in Nanaimo or Victoria. It defies logic to think it could have. So where did all of this critical cultural knowledge come from and how far back could these hunter gatherer traditional oral accounts go?

My feeling is that the all hunter gatherers are linked to the ancients, we have to be, that is why we survived and are here.

The obvious take away from my rant here is that white people too have oral histories that go far far back in time.
We too have always hunted...

[wideopenthrottle]

some of the immigrant traditions and methods were also adopted by the native people here....one of my best friends growing up was icelandic. his Dad (Helgi Thorvaldson) spent about a decade teaching natives in NW Ontario and northern Manitoba how to ice fish with nets through the ice...it is now considered "traditional"

Consider that on Vancouver Island early immigrants were hunters and fisherman. Many also foraged for mushrooms and natural herbs etc. They brought their traditional, cultural and ceremonial practices from other cultures across the seas. These traditions were shared by elders with younger members of their family units. This transfer of knowledge was not passed on a piece of paper, it was done orally, passed down by those with the valuable life experiences.

Here is where it gets interesting, this sharing of traditional hunter gatherer knowledge did not just start upon getting off a boat in Nanaimo or Victoria. It defies logic to think it could have. So where did all of this critical cultural knowledge come from and how far back could these hunter gatherer traditional oral accounts go?

My feeling is that the all hunter gatherers are linked to the ancients, we have to be, that is why we survived and are here.

The obvious take away from my rant here is that white people too have oral histories that go far far back in time.
We too have always hunted...

[Walking Buffalo]

some of the immigrant traditions and methods were also adopted by the stone age people here....one of my best friends growing up was icelandic. his Dad (Helgi Thorvaldson) spent about a decade teaching natives in NW Ontario and northern Manitoba how to ice fish with nets through the ice...it is now considered "traditional"

This would be a fascinating and historically important read.

[wideopenthrottle]

This would be a fascinating and historically important read.

he was actually born in canada to some of the original gimli manitoba residents who came from iceland (perhaps a 3rd gen?) IIRC and died in 2012 at 87 but told me about it when i was a kid..he was being paid by the government so there must be some record of it...they were trying to provide industry/source of income and food to the northern natives as life was pretty harsh in that part of the country (late winter starvation was all too common)..ill dig with google a bit if you need proof

[Husky7mm]

some of the immigrant traditions and methods were also adopted by the stone age people here....one of my best friends growing up was icelandic. his Dad (Helgi Thorvaldson) spent about a decade teaching natives in NW Ontario and northern Manitoba how to ice fish with nets through the ice...it is now considered "traditional"

Interesting... a lot of people, including first nations forget that horses were not part of the first nation tradition/culture as well.

[wideopenthrottle]

Interesting... a lot of people, including first nations forget that horses were not part of the first nation tradition/culture as well.

SORRY FOR THE DERAIL NOG

i have just spent most of the afternoon reading up on the icelanders in north central canada (gimli manitoba area)...for something so critical to life (fishing in winter) there is few mentions of it... it is possible he was reteaching them lost knowledge based on claims ive read suggesting natives and icelanders traded fishing techniques but it was the natives who taught the icelanders to use nets under the ice...funny how oral history (what Helgi told me) can differ from written history...very interesting how the area given to the iclanders was called the icelandic reserve.

in my reading i was appalled by the number of inacuracies...one link claimed northern ojibwa didnt grow veggies when i just read an account of them doing just that.....another fact sheet doesnt even get the species of fish a guy in a picture is holding right...

i did find this short book an interesting read also a blurb on fishing below

https://skemman.is/bitstream/1946/6365/1/Sigr%C3%BAn%20Brynd%C3%ADs-lokaeintak.pdf


https://www.nps.gov/fora/learn/educa...nd-hunting.htm