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  1. #141
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    Re: Hunters for BC

    Quote Originally Posted by Ourea View Post
    I understand the "clout" (more political than financial) that outfitters bring. And yes, definitely a big grain of sand on the scale.
    So, you know i have helped on the guiding front and this is what I saw.
    Hunter flies in on his private jet (great guy and a total piece of work)
    Hunter is taken to camp.
    Hunter kills.
    Hunter flies out hrs after the kill.
    Economic impact outside of guide fees...... next to zero.

    Hunter put his pilots up in a hotel.
    Hunter fueled his plane up here.
    Took the hunter out for dinner...he paid.

    So when someone states the impact of a hunt that someone paid 10's of thousands of dollars for as an economic driver......not reality.
    That is a cloudy leverage statement at best.

    Less than 5% of that hunt went into the local/provincial economy.
    95+% went into the outfitter.
    Do not sell economic impact as that is easily debunked.

    Outfitters are an important part of hunting and its future here in BC due to their political leverage and contributions to protect their business model.
    They are a key component, agreed.




    Outfitters have political clout, that I fully understand.
    And where does the outfitters 95% go.....it sure as hell doesn’t stay jammed in his pocket!

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    Re: Hunters for BC

    If you look at the largest outfitters ie the ones in northern bc. The vast majority are born and bred long term bc residents. The dollars they make go directly back into B.C. , on top of that hundreds of thousands are raised by them to assist wildlife pops. Helps both the business and residents , good spinning support of status quo res mouth pieces, but reality is outfitters put more dollars into our way of life than we do in direct funds , with benefits for their business and res
    Last edited by Deaddog; 12-31-2019 at 11:14 PM.

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    Re: Hunters for BC

    Quote Originally Posted by Deaddog View Post
    If you look at the largest outfitters ie the ones in northern bc. The vast majority are born and bred long term bc residents. The dollars they make go directly back into B.C. , on top of that hundreds of thousands are raised by them to assist wildlife pops. Helps both the business and residents , good spinning support of status quo res mouth pieces, but reality is outfitters put more dollars into our way of life than we do in direct funds , with benefits for their business and res
    This.

    Everyone is jealous of the "Guide"
    I'm no guide, but it can't be cheap, doing what they do.

    The guide is doing their best to keep the area management good, and spends profits locally. The better their area, the better the profit.

    Resident hunters also need to realize they can hunt in guide areas too.

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    Re: Hunters for BC

    Quote Originally Posted by bearvalley View Post
    Hereís a question:
    Piperdown made the statement that he wonít be supporting a group tied to guiding.
    How much clout would the WSSBC have if the guiding industry dried up?
    Theres a lot of funding directed to this province for wildlife projects from groups like SCI and the WSF.
    Do you think BC would still see the international cash support we have rolling in now if those non resident guided hunters could not hunt here?
    I have always seen that GOs are a contributing factor for both resources and political. I have made my position clears many times on the forum good honest GOs are a positive to the hunting community. Only one some GOs may not like I believe they should be Canadian owned and operated businesses

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    Re: Hunters for BC

    Serious question, how doe's this proposed hunting group differ from what we already have?

    Ourea's funding model is the only real sensible idea I have seen/heard regarding building more game in the province.

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    Re: Hunters for BC

    Quote Originally Posted by 338win mag View Post
    Serious question, how doe's this proposed hunting group differ from what we already have?

    Ourea's funding model is the only real sensible idea I have seen/heard regarding building more game in the province.

    When we started, we asked the same questions, and we are still asking hunters what they want and expect from an organization. Several items have repeatedly surfaced.
    - inadequate resident hunter representation at all levels
    -not enough hunters are involved
    -why does the government not listen to hunter concerns
    -how can hunters communicate more effectively and have a working relationship with
    GOs, trappers, MLA s, FN and other clubs / organizations.
    - we are trying to set out a platform for resident hunter voice. Network with the above mentioned. Offer help and support to the above mentioned when needed as a hunters who care about whatís going and wanting to make a difference. I need to point out although I do not have the numbers itís known a small percentage of hunters in BC are actively involved for wildlife. Our intention is to reach out to hunters currently doing nothing, offer education on the real issues and encourage involvement with any group they choose as there are many. We hope to be a persistent thorn to government at all levels. Our wildlife needs their acknowledgement and much needed funding. Hunters pay dearly and are willing to pay more but want to see their dollars put to work for wildlife.
    Different in many ways, some differences are obvious while some are subtle. The goal for all must be the same.....a better BC.

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    Re: Hunters for BC

    Quote Originally Posted by RobU View Post
    Zero petitions.
    zero personal agendas.
    zero hidden initiatives.
    I understand everyoneís caution. Iím the same way.
    This is grass roots. No frills. No gimmicks. No balloons. No banners.
    just work.
    I should also remind everyone as weíre small we will need to match our tasks with our size. Politics, alignment, alliances and the rest will come in time and we certainly do not expect instant welcomes and results. Roll up our sleeves and get to work. The organization structure and voting process is in place to keep the path. Also important is hunter input at this stage. Hunters will ultimately shape the structure and goals. Hoping this all helps and makes sense.
    Robin.
    I'm in.....as Ourea said, we will need working relationships with Gov and industry....I know you mentioned zero petitions but IMO, a good move by a new organization such as this would be to push govt for more funding, starting with all license revenue being put back into wildlife and habitat..this is a petition that I think should happen, and I think if spread on Facebook etc, we could also get a lot of support from the non hunting community (and it will demonstrate our passion for healthy wildlife populations)....

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarryToolips View Post
    I'm in.....as Ourea said, we will need working relationships with Gov and industry....I know you mentioned zero petitions but IMO, a good move by a new organization such as this would be to push govt for more funding, starting with all license revenue being put back into wildlife and habitat..this is a petition that I think should happen, and I think if spread on Facebook etc, we could also get a lot of support from the non hunting community (and it will demonstrate our passion for healthy wildlife populations)....
    Getting the general public past the stigma that hunters want increased wildlife populations so they have more to shoot is a major hurdle that needs to be addressed. Showing our passion and commitment to wildlife and wild spaces gives us credibility and should relieve some of the “Me hunter neanderthal” comments we receive. Any and all advances need one thing; a major marketing campaign. Everything today that succeeds has come from very precise marketing which puts “the agenda” front and center. What will this require, #1 MONEY!!! With the right campaign and funding behind it I believe success will follow. Only then would you get any government to take notice and possibly increase funding as well. Not being pessimistic, but I don’t feel that anything but will create a difference. Dollars and numbers of membership will prevail.
    If you can pack it in, You can pack it out !!!

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    Re: Hunters for BC

    Quote Originally Posted by HarryToolips View Post
    I'm in.....as Ourea said, we will need working relationships with Gov and industry....I know you mentioned zero petitions but IMO, a good move by a new organization such as this would be to push govt for more funding, starting with all license revenue being put back into wildlife and habitat..this is a petition that I think should happen, and I think if spread on Facebook etc, we could also get a lot of support from the non hunting community (and it will demonstrate our passion for healthy wildlife populations)....
    thank you. I very reluctantly joined face book. Kicking and screaming all the way. I was persuaded otherwise to ensure a vehicle to reach hunters. Social media can be extremely toxic and damaging to hunting and must be used wisely. There are many other sources we are considering to reach hunters in bc. WSSBC and GOABC have launched campaigns to help hunter image. I canít comment because I simply donít know how effective they have been.

    Hope I havenít come across as anti petition. If worded, and used correctly in the right format they can be very effective. Iíve been cautioned about petition overload as electronic petitions are very common. My comment on zero petitions states hunters for bc has not launched a petion. The petitions posted on the working group forum were imported from elsewhere for all to see and read. No matter our beliefs we should all lobby the govt for much more funding and placing the right people in the right positions to effectively reverse the current trends.

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    Re: Hunters for BC

    Quote Originally Posted by bearvalley View Post
    And where does the outfitters 95% go.....it sure as hell doesnít stay jammed in his pocket!
    BV, I am pro outfitter.
    Their/your contributions are an important part of keeping wildlife on the political forefront.
    Every business/industry has to invest in their future, outfitting is far from unique in this regard.
    Business 101.
    If you are not investing at least 10 to 20% of your turn back into your industry to protect your future guys are not carry their share.
    The outfitting business model is truly unique, inventory is free, you do however have to make heavy investment elsewhere to float the boat.

    Coming back to rob's thread.....
    I think those in the know respect and understand the challenges in trying to make a difference in wildlife.
    Rob is attempting to help, I respect that.

    From some of my due diligence they're are some parts of this team that have been down right condescending and virtuous about their positions on condemning many aspects of regulation as they feel they know better. How do they know better is the question being asked. What are their credentials?
    These are honest and open questions.
    They need and should be answered.


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