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    Re: BCWF supports BAN on crossbow scopes

    Quote Originally Posted by Deaddog View Post
    they want to be portrayed as the voice of residents, and then quietly support or not raise there opposition to it publicly then as a resident who else would be the “ bad guy”. Be interesting to see who bcwf phatat reps got there marching orders from. Pretty clear from the proposed reg changes that the old boys club and their not so secret partners continue to fail supporting hunters and wildlife
    There’s a growing number of resident hunters that do not recognize them as their voice.
    The need to be kicked away from any table that deals with hunting and wildlife regulation making.
    We may as well have the WDL or Raincoast sitting in as our rep.....in fact we’d be better off.
    At least we’d know our opponents are going to screw us over....we have a hard time admitting we’re gonna get it from our own “team”.

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    Re: BCWF supports BAN on crossbow scopes

    Quote Originally Posted by Drdoug View Post
    As pretty much all crossbows rely on a scope to target game accurately this is effectively a ban on crossbows during bow season is it not?
    IMO it’s a douchey way of pushing through a crossbow ban.
    Red dot sights or fixed iron sights could still be used and crossbows are not for long distance shooting anyways so nobody would have to stop using them.

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    Re: BCWF supports BAN on crossbow scopes

    Regulation Number:
    2020-0-05


    Status:
    Proposed


    Region:
    Province-Wide


    Regulation Type:
    General Open Season
    Limited Entry Hunting


    Species:
    All


    Closing Date:
    January 17, 2020 at midnight


    Decision Statement:
    Pending



    Current Regulations:
    There are currently no regulations that prohibit the use of a scope on archery equipment during bow only seasons.



    Proposed Regulations:
    Prohibit the use of scopes on bows during bow-only seasons



    Rationale:
    This proposed regulation was requested by the Provincial Hunting and Trapping Advisory Team. For more information on the process that led to the request refer to the “Additional Information” section at the bottom of this page.
    Crossbow technology has advanced in recent years and their operation has become easier; some users consider a modern crossbow to be more similar to a firearm than a bow. There is mixed support for crossbows during bow only seasons; many jurisdictions have prohibited crossbows during bow only seasons. In B.C., crossbows are still permitted. As a compromise between permitting and prohibiting crossbows during bow only seasons, it is proposed to reduce the effectiveness of modern versions of these weapons by prohibiting scopes.
    Bow only seasons are intended to be short range (i.e. around 40 yards) hunting opportunities, and often allow hunting for classes of species (i.e. any buck or antlerless deer) that are not open through general open seasons when firearms are permitted. Historically, this opportunity was in place simply because the success rates of bow hunters was much lower than that of hunters with firearms. Advancements in crossbow technology has increased the range of crossbows closer to 100 yards, which was not considered when instituting short-range hunting seasons in the past. Prohibiting scopes on bows is thought to bring crossbows back into the short-range weapon category.
    Under this proposed regulation the use of scopes on bows would only be prohibited during bow only seasons; scopes on bows would continue to be permitted during general open seasons.



    Additional Information:
    A sub-committee of the Provincial Hunting and Trapping Advisory Team (PHTAT) with representatives from the B.C. Wildlife Federation, Guide Outfitters Association of B.C., B.C. Trappers Association, Wild Sheep Society, Wildlife Stewardship Council, and United Bowhunters of B.C., conducted a review of various hunting practices (methods, tools, and tactics), evaluated those practices against a set of criteria that reflect the principles of fair chase, and recommended management actions for specific hunting practices. These recommendations were accepted by PHTAT and were forwarded to the Province for consideration.
    Factors that influenced or informed the Management Action Recommendation included:

    1. Does the hunting method, tool, or tactic:


    • Negate wildlife’s ability to avoid detection?
    • Negate wildlife’s ability to escape once it has detected a threat?
    • Lead to an inhumane treatment of wildlife?
    • Lead to increased wounding loss/jeopardize a hunter’s ability to retrieve the wildlife?
    • Jeopardize public acceptance of hunting?
    • Result in higher harvest rates/reduced opportunity in the future?


    1. Estimated difficulty in enacting a regulation.
    2. Regulatory enforceability.

    The Management Action options available for each hunting practice included:

    1. Encourage/discourage the hunting practice through education and/or training
    2. Regulate the hunting practice through legislative prohibitions
    3. Monitor the hunting practice over the coming years to see if it becomes an issue in B.C.
    4. Defer; not of concern and no specific management action or monitoring is required



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    Re: BCWF supports BAN on crossbow scopes

    Quote Originally Posted by E.B. View Post
    Red dot sights or fixed iron sights could still be used and crossbows are not for long distance shooting anyways so nobody would have to stop using them.
    The fed hired gun likes to spout about managing from a science based perspective. I have looked and cannot find any data that shows the use of scopes on crossbows is or has caused a conservation concern for wildlife populations. Unless bcwf is hiding that data ( totally plausible) why would they support such a restriction. Other than to slowly chip away at hunter numbers. Be interesting to see if this was a board decision or a continuation of an agenda by a select few with the “club” in bcwf ( paid and long term elected board members)

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    Re: BCWF supports BAN on crossbow scopes

    I bolded a few interesting parts of the proposal

    Looks like there are several groups involved with the proposal, not just BCWF. One of the groups is a Bow Hunting organization. I recall several members of the UBBC being quite vocal that crossbows should not be allowed in bow only season at all.

    One of the very interesting reasons cited was that bow seasons are supposed to be "short range/40 yard hunting opportunities" which brings up the point made in the last discussion that compound bows are capable of shots just as far or further than a crossbow.

    It seems to me the real way to deal with this would be to remove bow only seasons altogether, or change it to a primitive season with iron sight muzzle loaders, recurves and long bows. If there is an actual conservation concern with the modern crossbow, then there must also be one with the modern compound.
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    Re: BCWF supports BAN on crossbow scopes

    I hope everyone that joins a range this year asks to opt out of a bcwf membership this year if allowed to. Time to join a real org that supports hunters and wildlife and doesn’t try to divide hunters.
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    Re: BCWF supports BAN on crossbow scopes

    So during the rest of the regular season you can have a scope on your crossbow.

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    Re: BCWF supports BAN on crossbow scopes

    Quote Originally Posted by Gateholio View Post
    I bolded a few interesting parts of the proposal

    Looks like there are several groups involved with the proposal, not just BCWF. One of the groups is a Bow Hunting organization. I recall several members of the UBBC being quite vocal that crossbows should not be allowed in bow only season at all.

    One of the very interesting reasons cited was that bow seasons are supposed to be "short range/40 yard hunting opportunities" which brings up the point made in the last discussion that compound bows are capable of shots just as far or further than a crossbow.

    It seems to me the real way to deal with this would be to remove bow only seasons altogether, or change it to a primitive season with iron sight muzzle loaders, recurves and long bows. If there is an actual conservation concern with the modern crossbow, then there must also be one with the modern compound.
    Well said Gates! Hunters targeting other hunter's choice of weapon won't help any of us in the end! Much more important issues we should be focussing on.
    Disappointing if this ends up going through...

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    Re: BCWF supports BAN on crossbow scopes

    I have to ask. How many people are honestly shooting deer at 100 yards with a crossbow as the rule change suggests?

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    Re: BCWF supports BAN on crossbow scopes

    Quote Originally Posted by Deaddog View Post
    ......... Pretty clear from the proposed reg changes that the old boys club and their not so secret partners continue to fail supporting hunters and wildlife
    So the train of thought has been going on for a long time, including through the term of the past president. Why expect something different? Its not like the Fed has changed colours or running a different flag. Can't fault them for staying true.
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