Moose numbers Sweden vs BC

[2chodi]

The damage done in BC by logging practices won’t be corrected for several decades.
No one wants other ungulate species removed from the landscape to enhance other species.
So 2chodi.......what’s the fix that can put more moose back in BC the quickest?

The suggestions out of the Moose Solutions Roundtable and Gorley Report, if implemented by gov would be a good place to start. Roundtable: 1) Predator control, 2) restrict access to roads and fireguards created in salvage logging and fighting fires and 3) get better data and use it to inform appropriate adaptive management at the landscape level.

Gorley:

PART 2 – MANAGEMENT TOOLS
Recommendation 5 - Coordinated access management
Recommendation 6 - Predator management
Recommendation 7 - Management of moose hunting
Recommendation 8 - First Nations’ harvest management
Recommendation 9 - Compliance and enforcement
Recommendation 10 - Protecting existing habitat
Recommendation 11 - Silviculture practices
Recommendation 12 - Habitat enhancement

[bearvalley]

The suggestions out of the Moose Solutions Roundtable and Gorley Report, if implemented by gov would be a good place to start. Roundtable: 1) Predator control, 2) restrict access to roads and fireguards created in salvage logging and fighting fires and 3) get better data and use it to inform appropriate adaptive management at the landscape level.

Gorley:

PART 2 – MANAGEMENT TOOLS
Recommendation 5 - Coordinated access management
Recommendation 6 - Predator management
Recommendation 7 - Management of moose hunting
Recommendation 8 - First Nations’ harvest management
Recommendation 9 - Compliance and enforcement
Recommendation 10 - Protecting existing habitat
Recommendation 11 - Silviculture practices
Recommendation 12 - Habitat enhancement

2chodi, if those tools are applied we’ll rebuild moose populations.

[180grainer]

2chodi, if those tools are applied we’ll rebuild moose populations.

You'll never get recommendation 6 or 8. You'll get a hell of a lot of recommendation 7.

[bearvalley]

You'll never get recommendation 6 or 8. You'll get a hell of a lot of recommendation 7.

Time will tell......

[boxhitch]

With the BC study entering the second five-year term ending in 2023, I bet no drastic changes will come about until Gov has all their cards in hand
So far the study only points to causation while identifying a number of knowledge gaps
Nice to see the commitment to further the study, bad that action won't take place sooner

[bearvalley]

Outfitters are in a business for profit, their profit, may as well let the fox manage the hen house.

Exactly HappyJack....everybody does their job striving for a profit.
So what’s wrong with applying that line of thinking to wildlife management......if it’s a success everyone gains.

The path of bureaucratical management where pay checks are handed out even if the management of wildlife is an epic fail is a real winner.

Of coarse the advice on wildlife management given by retired taxi drivers and school teachers trumps anything an outfitter might know.

[HappyJack]

Exactly HappyJack....everybody does their job striving for a profit.
So what’s wrong with applying that line of thinking to wildlife management......if it’s a success everyone gains.

The path of bureaucratical management where pay checks are handed out even if the management of wildlife is an epic fail is a real winner.

Of coarse the advice on wildlife management given by retired taxi drivers and school teachers trumps anything an outfitter might know.

As an outfitter I know that in order to manage the game properly we need to give 75% of game allocations to outfitters, outlaw the use of motorized vehicles for hunting [no trucks, no atvs, no jet boats] which would quickly manage the identified access issues and just to really manage for profit all resident hunters will be restricted to hunting one species per season.....yes lets let profiteers manage our game, no thanks.

[bearvalley]

As an outfitter I know that in order to manage the game properly we need to give 75% of game allocations to outfitters, outlaw the use of motorized vehicles for hunting [no trucks, no atvs, no jet boats] which would quickly manage the identified access issues and just to really manage for profit all resident hunters will be restricted to hunting one species per season.....yes lets let profiteers manage our game, no thanks.

So...as a resident hunter knowing that 50% of the annual moose harvest is allocated to licensed hunters and 75 to 90% of that share goes to residents (10 to 25% to licensed non residents).......along with the fact that available access in some areas of moos decline is extreme........we’ve done a real good job of managing towards zero.

How would you make it better HappyJack?

[HappyJack]

So...as a resident hunter knowing that 50% of the annual moose harvest is allocated to licensed hunters and 75 to 90% of that share goes to residents (10 to 25% to licensed non residents).......along with the fact that available access in some areas of moos decline is extreme........we’ve done a real good job of managing towards zero.

How would you make it better HappyJack?

Cull the predators, limit the availability of tag #s by MU or Region, lower outfitter allocations to a max 5%, stop the spraying of poison, and legislate the railroads to take measures to stop the outrageous numbers of winter kills for starters.

[pro 111]

The suggestions out of the Moose Solutions Roundtable and Gorley Report, if implemented by gov would be a good place to start. Roundtable: 1) Predator control, 2) restrict access to roads and fireguards created in salvage logging and fighting fires and 3) get better data and use it to inform appropriate adaptive management at the landscape level.

Gorley:

PART 2 – MANAGEMENT TOOLS
Recommendation 5 - Coordinated access management
Recommendation 6 - Predator management
Recommendation 7 - Management of moose hunting
Recommendation 8 - First Nations’ harvest management
Recommendation 9 - Compliance and enforcement
Recommendation 10 - Protecting existing habitat
Recommendation 11 - Silviculture practices
Recommendation 12 - Habitat enhancement

Some good ideas here. I also think we all have to get on board with the first nations and manage it together instead of letting the government drive a huge wedge between us all. Pretty sure they have not all supported shutting down a grizzly bear hunt in BC. Pretty sure they would support a wolf cull in there traditional areas if there was some funding and some good education brought forward. Like what Giest had to say. That video should go to all the bands here in BC.
I just look at where I live.. Black bear hunting was shut down here and I know many native guys here that think that is totally rediculous. But knowone ever speaks up in time and these things get passed without the majority of people even knowing whats going on.
My opinion for today.