Moose numbers Sweden vs BC

[pro 111]

We have idiots running our province and country

Exactly!! Nail on the head . wham!!!

[338win mag]

Funny, this year all I saw was white guys, a few east indians and a couple of oriental guys....none of those special rights people were killing a thing?

Thats because they hunt in august and then again after resident hunters season is over, thats what happens here.

[Wild one]

Thats because they hunt in august and then again after resident hunters season is over, thats what happens here.

Yup most FN hunting is done outside of the fall hunting season. I can say though some chiefs seem to be trying to limit harvest lately. Unfortunately the ones that really abuse their rights don’t listen when the chief says they are band from hunting.

I know for a fact one chief has told his band members no hunting moose without pleading your case with the chief first to see if it’s approved of. Also shooting cows is a no no. But there is those with statues who don’t acknowledge or even know the band’s request do to not being involved with the band. Then there are the ones who just don’t give a shit what the chief says because there is no real consequences for their actions. The bad ones do major damage example last year this chief caught a member selling meat that shot over 15 moose. Chief said he was no longer allowed to hunt but from what I heard that has not stopped him

There is definitely an issue with FN over harvest but I would say it’s way more complicated then most see it. The real issue I see is the bad FNs cannot be held accountable by our government or even their chief when they abuse their rights. Then add in the slob with status that does not even acknowledge the band but exploits the hunting rights. This is usually some guy who is 1/2 or 1/4 FN and all he knows is his status lets him get away with it

It’s definitely a mess and varies from area to area.

[dino]

Funny, this year all I saw was white guys, a few east indians and a couple of oriental guys....none of those special rights people were killing a thing?

The other group are nocturnal. There is just to many wolves. I didnt want to believe it but they are now in the area i hunt and would have never thought it would happen.

[338win mag]

Funny, this year all I saw was white guys, a few east indians and a couple of oriental guys....none of those special rights people were killing a thing?

You slag Don Cherry, then.... say this^^^^^^^^ idiot.

[MB_Boy]

My Dad spoke at the International Moose Conference in Sweden a number of years back but I recall some of what he told me when he was there.

The hunting clubs are very invested in the management of the population. I remember him saying something about not shooting mature breeding bulls; selective harvest etc. I'll ask him more when I speak to him next.

[REMINGTON JIM]

Exactly!! Nail on the head . wham!!!

YUP and they Just Keep SHOWING up More and More everywhere ! RJ

[cpwrestler]

Aside from the predator issues we face in BC which are obviously a massive issue... Possibly the biggest issue, in BC we prioritize access and opportunity. In Sweden (and much of Europe), where the vast majority of land is private, free access isn't an option. Simply put, to hunt, you have to pay, often big bucks. So the access that we cherish doesn't exist.

Second, opportunity is far more limited and restricted. Unlike in North America, most of Europe--Sweden included I believe--the wildlife are owned by the landowners, not the public like here in Canada. Given that the landowners own the wildlife and that they manage them in such a way as to profit off of them, they have an incentive to maximize populations. Land owners charge for the right to hunt and monitor/manage populations very closely. This approach is similar to our outfitting concessions in BC where concession owners have incentive to maintain healthy populations since they know that they have exclusive access to hunt the game in the future (residents notwithstanding). As a result, BC, the Yukon, and NWT typically have better trophies than most Alaskan outfitters where they don't have a concession system and it's basically an outfitters free-for-all.

My point is that you can't have your cake and eat it too. The only lever BC hunters want to talk about pulling is the predator control one. That will most certainly help, but we could also reduce opportunity and/or access and have more/bigger wildlife. Alternatively we can have access and opportunity and have less wildlife overall. I'm not saying we need to abandon the North American Wildlife Model, but we could follow the lead of most western states and move to multiple 2 week seasons instead of one 6-12 week system, more leh, etc. but it doesn't seem like that's what people in BC want. (let the flames begin)

[bearvalley]

Aside from the predator issues we face in BC which are obviously a massive issue... Possibly the biggest issue, in BC we prioritize access and opportunity. In Sweden (and much of Europe), where the vast majority of land is private, free access isn't an option. Simply put, to hunt, you have to pay, often big bucks. So the access that we cherish doesn't exist.

Second, opportunity is far more limited and restricted. Unlike in North America, most of Europe--Sweden included I believe--the wildlife are owned by the landowners, not the public like here in Canada. Given that the landowners own the wildlife and that they manage them in such a way as to profit off of them, they have an incentive to maximize populations. Land owners charge for the right to hunt and monitor/manage populations very closely. This approach is similar to our outfitting concessions in BC where concession owners have incentive to maintain healthy populations since they know that they have exclusive access to hunt the game in the future (residents notwithstanding). As a result, BC, the Yukon, and NWT typically have better trophies than most Alaskan outfitters where they don't have a concession system and it's basically an outfitters free-for-all.

My point is that you can't have your cake and eat it too. The only lever BC hunters want to talk about pulling is the predator control one. That will most certainly help, but we could also reduce opportunity and/or access and have more/bigger wildlife. Alternatively we can have access and opportunity and have less wildlife overall. I'm not saying we need to abandon the North American Wildlife Model, but we could follow the lead of most western states and move to multiple 2 week seasons instead of one 6-12 week system, more leh, etc. but it doesn't seem like that's what people in BC want. (let the flames begin)

Interesting post with some valid points brought forth.

That said....it might be a winner for all if outfitters were allowed more input in game & predator management within their guide territories.
The harvest numbers are already set thru the allocation/quota process.
What would it look like if landscape populations were set for how many of what species we wanted to see within a specific area?

The wild card that creates the most division is that everyone wants access to harvest wildlife that is at present being managed to zero......thanks to the mentality of the “maximum opportunity and access” drum that was beat far too long.

I bet the flames just got turned into a forest fire........

[Arctic Lake]

I really hope for biologist's who know there specific species and who have facts and sound science and are listened to by government and implement the needed actions . It would be fantastic to be able to keep Public Lands Public and let B.C. resident hunters enjoy nature and harvest this Provinces game . Guess I'm a dreamer !
Arctic Lake