We have a 12x14 Northwest Shelter and takes about 25-30mins with internal frame, 5’ porch, full floor and fly with 2 people.(not busting our ass either) Stove and other goodies take a little longer. Super comfy and enjoyable when a rain storm hits.(as long as you’re on a high spot ) We’ve had 4 people stay in it for 2 weeks without any room constraints or complaints. First tent I ever stayed in was an old military canvas when I was 4. Something about those canvas tents gets in your blood and you never want to be without one.