Question for the experts!?!?

[hunterdon]

Great question curt. I'm probably not smarter than you but I'll pipe in anyways. LOL I agree with all that you said. When you look at the antlerless elk draws, 1-1-1-1-1-1-1 and so on a whole pile of regions, coupled with the numbers of applicants for these draws, the financial incentive is huge. One animal per unit will do squat for population control. You're bang on bud. It's all about the money.

Kind of would be nice if a poster can ask a question or make a comment without always having to be on the defensive. Just my 2 cents worth.

[curt]

Awesome thanks for the support again I’m not judging people If it’s legal to shoot does or Cows and people do it so be it I just think it’s very counterproductive and I feel it contradicts what we are trying to do with the populations,And I honestly believe if the biologist would actually listen to the hunters a little bit more our wildlife situation would be Much healthier ;2101317]Great question curt. I'm probably not smarter than you but I'll pipe in anyways. LOL I agree with all that you said. When you look at the antlerless elk draws, 1-1-1-1-1-1-1 and so on a whole pile of regions, coupled with the numbers of applicants for these draws, the financial incentive is huge. One animal per unit will do squat for population control. You're bang on bud. It's all about the money.

Kind of would be nice if a poster can ask a question or make a comment without always having to be on the defensive. Just my 2 cents worth.[/QUOTE]

[curt]

[mastercaster]

In regards to mule deer doe LEH draws, I don't quite understand why they've all but been eliminated in Region 8 because of declining mule deer numbers yet for this region they still have plenty of draws for youth hunters, even though they get a full month to harvest a buck compared to just 9 days for the other regions (3, 4, and 5) and no youth hunts in region 5, 6, or 7B.

I'm all for youth hunting but it does seem strange for the lengthier time frame for any buck in Region 8 comparatively when they get great opportunities (excellent odds) with the doe draw. Is this to help balance out doe/buck ratios even though Region 8 has declining mule deer numbers overall? I'm just a little surprised the youth hunt for any buck hasn't been reduced like what the other regions have historically had because of the generous LEH opportunities they've now been given.

Maybe there's just not enough youth hunters to make any difference at all when it comes to the numbers game??

[pro 111]

Hey guys its been awhile since Ive been on here hope everyone is doing well! I have a question I know its likely been bounced around in the past, but I cant wrap my head around it and I know there are some biologists on this site. If the mule deer populations and the moose populations is certain area's are struggling as much as we are led to believe they are..... then WHY are we still giving out female LEH draws for those species??? IMO it is 100% a cash grab??? I have shot a few females early on in my hunting career but I have made a decision over the past few years to stop shooting females and I wont put in LEH for them, it seems completely counter productive to me to shoot the life givers especially if we are in a situation where populations are down..... someone smarter than me please explain the rationale behind this??

I would have to agree with you in both aspects. I believe these LEH draws are a cash grab . .How much of this money goes back into science . Or sustaining wildlife in BC. It goes right back into upgrading street lights in Victoria and shit just like it. Use the states for an example. So many more hunters. Yet they have very healthy game populations all over. The majority of tag money and even portions of gun purchases go straight back into direct management of the wildlife.
I also believe its a bunch of BS to be harvesting cow and calf moose or any female in areas that are way down on there numbers.. You dont have to be a biologist to figure that out.

[pro 111]

Dont get me wrong. BC is the best place on earth to live if you like hunting multiple species . but i think lately to much is just taken for granted , and we are loosing our wildlife at faster rates than all of us hunters are really willing to admit.

[REMINGTON JIM]

Dont get me wrong. BC is the best place on earth to live if you like hunting multiple species . but i think lately to much is just taken for granted , and we are loosing our wildlife at faster rates than all of us hunters are really willing to admit.

I'm Agreeing with you ! Theres a LOT of GREAT country out there FULL of Feed and Shelter with out many animals ! Where the Hell are they ? RJ

[j270wsm]

I do understand what your saying about HIGH numbers of doe/cow tags given out for areas with low populations, but your example of elk in reg 4 isn't an area with high cow tags. 3-10yrs ago.....it would have been an area with high tags.

reg 4 cow elk leh info

2014-15 - 7545 applications for 294 tags.... $47,835
2017-18 - 6154 applications for 33 tags …… $39,016
2018-19 - 2934 applications for 33 tgs ……. $18,601

2014-15 there were 95 tags(1358 applicants) and 110 youth/senior tags given out for 4-23A. These 205 tags would account for 54.5%($10,213) of all money generated from reg 4 cow tags this yr.

personally I wouldnt call $18,601 a money grab!

[curt]

You are absolutely correct they opened up huge numbers of cow draws now they have pulled back to basically none because the population is on a major decline!? So what does that tell me ittells me shooting the cows negatively impacted the herds when coupled with high predation? Think about this 294 cows how many elk could potentially be born based on those numbers in the 4 years since 2015we are talking potentially 1000+ elk when you start factoring in calves of calves and so on!? Just my opinion don’t go getting your feathers all ruffled if you are a female shooter I get it just not for me anymore!�� QUOTE=j270wsm;2101406]

I do understand what your saying about HIGH numbers of doe/cow tags given out for areas with low populations, but your example of elk in reg 4 isn't an area with high cow tags. 3-10yrs ago.....it would have been an area with high tags.

reg 4 cow elk leh info

2014-15 - 7545 applications for 294 tags.... $47,835
2017-18 - 6154 applications for 33 tags …… $39,016
2018-19 - 2934 applications for 33 tgs ……. $18,601

2014-15 there were 95 tags(1358 applicants) and 110 youth/senior tags given out for 4-23A. These 205 tags would account for 54.5%($10,213) of all money generated from reg 4 cow tags this yr.

personally I wouldnt call $18,601 a money grab![/QUOTE]

[rocksteady]

I do understand what your saying about HIGH numbers of doe/cow tags given out for areas with low populations, but your example of elk in reg 4 isn't an area with high cow tags. 3-10yrs ago.....it would have been an area with high tags.

reg 4 cow elk leh info

2014-15 - 7545 applications for 294 tags.... $47,835
2017-18 - 6154 applications for 33 tags …… $39,016
2018-19 - 2934 applications for 33 tgs ……. $18,601

2014-15 there were 95 tags(1358 applicants) and 110 youth/senior tags given out for 4-23A. These 205 tags would account for 54.5%($10,213) of all money generated from reg 4 cow tags this yr.

personally I wouldnt call $18,601 a money grab!

One thing you are forgetting is there was 2 or maybe 3 years that they had an "any antlerless" season for 10 days in the main trench of the Rocky Mountains, to thin the herds to appease the ranchers. It would not show up in your stats for leh, but it had a HUGE impact on populations.