Re: Caribou recovery and effective methods to deal with wolves en masse?
Nog:
"Rob: I understand your dedication.
I will respectfully disagree with your assessment regarding alternate prey removal - based both upon experience, and fellow experienced biologists that I happen to believe in very much."
Fair enough. Take note - I'm not trying to pick favourite science or favourite scientists. Science is, over time, self correcting (assuming you take the politics and profit motive out of it). My assessment isn't that one theory works or doesn't. My recommendation is that we commit to science and then try to fund it, keep it independent and keep critiquing it.
"As for expecting BC to "pull all the levers", please refer to my earlier post.
This ain't Kansas any more, and the wizard is corrupt beyond compare..."
I think we agree. The problem isn't the bios or their theories. The problem is the corrupt wizard. Let's adjust our aim.
Bear Valley:
"...what I’ll say is the corrective lever needs pulled first and that sure as hell is not primary prey reduction."
I don't care which gets pulled first. I say pull them both. I don't think you and I really have a meaningful disagreement. Studies i cited that advocate prey reduction don't recommend doing it in isolation, and neither do I.
Wild One:
"Rob trust your scientist and I will trust the scientists that contradict them. "
You're still missing the point. You want to pick your favourite science and scientist. I'm saying follow science and on't pick favourites. If two studies disagree, examine why. Google "dialectic vs debate" and you'll understand better. I don't want to win a debate - I want to get to the truth.
And do not misunderstand - if you pick favourites with science, you're doing the same thing as WDL.
Cabled:
" I guess when I say scientific management I see it as having politics removed"
That's what we need, otherwise we get a repeat of the grizzly hunt ban.
Rob Chipman
"The idea of wilderness needs no defense, it only needs defenders" - Ed Abbey
"Grown men do not need leaders" - also Ed Abbey