Spca

[Iron Glove]

They likely put the lab down.......

Unlikely they put the dog down.
The vast majority of dogs put down by the SPCA are a result of them being unhealthy and untreatable.
Agree that the "no hunting" deal is stupid, basically then they are encouraging prospective owners to lie.

[elch jager]

That policy statement rubbed me the wrong way, so I had to send them a quick email...

Here is what I got in return.... hope they don't come to my house to remove my hunting dog because I dared speak out to them.

Seems to me they believe that they know better than provincial wildlife biologists who actually determine policy and regulations for hunting in BC. Does not seem they will be open to discussion or revision of the policy statement.

Raincoast's Darimont is referenced in the footnotes, so that may give you a clue as to the agenda that is behind them. If they put their faith in biased researchers like CT Darimont, then they may not be open to accepting research from other sources.

Could it be they are overrun with leftist millennials at the BCSPCA?

-------- Original message --------
From: Erin Ryan <erinryan@spca.bc.ca>
Date: 2019-04-11 3:34 PM (GMT-08:00)
To:
Subject: Re: Position statement on hunting

Hi Steven,
Thank you for your email, and taking the time to write to us. Protecting and enhancing the quality of life for wild animals (and of course domestic and farm animals) has always been part of our mission work.

I can appreciate that we may not agree on all aspects of hunting, but please know that our position statement on hunting (first published 2009) has always supported subsistence hunting carried out in an ethical, humane, responsible and sustainable manner by qualified and experienced hunters. I understand that our position statement has lately been shared widely on social media, though we are not actively running any hunting-related campaigns, and the statement has not been modified since revision in 2017.

The BC SPCA has staff wildlife biologists ranging from BSc, MSc, PhD and RPBio working in our Science & Policy division, who work on all our provincial wildlife initiatives. For example, our Chief Scientific Officer has more than 20 years experience in wildlife biology, previously conducted grizzly bear research with Parks Canada, and worked a summer with the Ministry on the LEH and other hunting management activities.

Thank you again for reaching out, and for caring about wild animals in B.C.

All the best,
Erin Ryan
Specialist, Research Communications
BC SPCA Science & Policy Division
1245 East 7th Avenue
Vancouver BC V5T 1R1
t. 604.681.7271 extension 1448
c. 604.363.8630 • erinryan@spca.bc.ca • spca.bc.ca

From:
Sent: April-11-19 12:42 PM
To: BC SPCA info@spca.bc.ca <info@spca.bc.ca>
Subject: New submission from Contact Us

Name Email City Port Coquitlam Phone Subject of your inquiry Feedback & Concerns Would you like an emailed response to your message? Yes Your Message Your policy statement on hunting is almost entirely erroneous and relies on a very narrow view that is perpetuated by individuals with questionable credentials known to have a very public anti hunting agenda. I suggest you research a broader range of scientific studies from more tenured experts. I have shared your policy with all contacts in and supportive of hunting. All donations from this channel will no doubt cease until your policy statement changes to reflect sound balanced scientific research.

[Rob Chipman]

Nice work, elch jager.


They always say the you can't have a serious conversation about anything if you don't agree on some basic definitions. In fact, not agreeing on definitions is pretty much a sign of bad faith.

What, exactly, is "subsistence hunting"? Is that the same thing that I do when I shoot something and put it in my freezer? Or is that something that First Nations do?

What is "ethical"? Is that "ethical" as commonly agreed upon by the hunting community, as in regulated by law and informed by science?


What is "qualified"?


Other questions are:

Why does the hunter have to be experienced? Do you mean there can't be new hunters?

Who is your Chief Scientific Officer?

What's the relationship between ethics and hunting? I know Chris Darimont and understand that when he says "ethics" he means, by and large, a utilitarian approach to the world, and that is not a community wide view of ethics, but rather a personal preference.


Thanks for the info and the email address. Given that the SPCA has responded I think some additional (civil) communication is in order. I'll try to contact her and share the results.

[Modeltwelve]

Their anti hunting, always have been, how can anyone not know this. Giving them any support is the same as shooting yourself in the foot. They've never gotten a penny from me.