Originally Posted by
recondo
1) You are wrong when you think that you can’t compete at the highest levels without FF....you force it. I've been in the competative Retriever game for over 20 years. I've trained with and competed against the best Retrievers in North America. I do not know of any successful dog ( meaning a dog who can place in one of these events) during this time that has not been FF,d or has been trained with positive reward based training only. Most of us use a combination of all the above.........what's your basis for saying I'm wrong?
2) There is nothing humane about FF, just as the name implies.....you force . Prove it. I challenge you to back up this statement . You are obviously not up to speed on how this procedure is now done.
Look up Bill Hillman for starters...you just might learn something on the more modern approach.
3) I tire of North Americans , who want quick results, with no time involvement. Prove it. To develop a fully trained competative Retriever usually takes a minimum of 4 to 5 years. Training occurs almost every day......how does this constitute no time involvement??????
4) I don’t think Rainer has to educate himself, when it comes to training hunting dogs and it is very ignorant of you to say something like that, when you don’t know the background of the individual. He probably,actually most likely, trained more dogs ,successfully without FF. I have no reason to doubt Rainers training abilities. My issue is with broad based generalizations based on very limited knowledge of the North America competative Retriever game and what is involved with it.
Of course you can train a dog successfully without FF but his idea of successful and mine are obviously quite different.
Labguy, I say to you. A mind ,once stretched, will never regain its original dimension. You have a total of 5 posts on this site. WTF do you know about this subject anyway. My bet is almost nothing. Let me guess...your information if formed on hearsay and you have almost no real world experience training dogs beyond a very rudimentary level....