Blacktail rut is finally on...

[Camp Cook]

The blacktail deer rut has finally started in my area of SW BC.

I have been watching a couple different does seeing them every 2 - 3 days since early September up until yesterday all I have seen is a 2 1/2" spike hanging out with his mom I don't shoot little spikes so watched him for about 10 minutes.

Finally yesterday morning after a light snowfall one of my does popped out right in front of me with this good looking little guy following behind her.

My rifle is a single shot 14" barreled T/C G2 Contender carbine in 338JDJ #2 loaded with 180gr Accubonds @ 2500fps OAL is 28.5".

[Chrispryn]

Good looking buck mate. Cool rifle also. Congrats

[Wild one]

Congrats and like the rifle set up.

I have a pro hunter any recommendations on barrels?

[Camp Cook]

What barrels do you have now?

I have two Prohunter's and 3 barrels I had GunTech shortened all of my barrels to 25-06 is 24", 30-06 is 22" and 375H&H is also 22" but I wish I had it shortened it to 20".

I had a 24" Encore barrel in 45-70 but found I never shot it due to having a 14" and 22" Contender 45-70 barrels.

Best recommendation is to shorten your 28" barrels this will make then faster/handier and more accurate due to getting rid of the whip the longer barrels have the long barrels also have rifling issues.

Mine are stainless fluted the flutes now run to the end of the barrel though.

This one is my 375H&H I have it loaded with 250gr TTSX now but I'm thinking I'd like to switch them to 270gr, 300gr and 350gr loads especially if I get the barrel shortened more might even go down to 18.6" - 19" if I go to the big heavy bullets.

[Wild one]

What barrels do you have now?

I have two Prohunter's and 3 barrels I had GunTech shortened all of my barrels to 25-06 is 24", 30-06 is 22" and 375H&H is also 22" but I wish I had it shortened it to 20".

I had a 24" Encore barrel in 45-70 but found I never shot it due to having a 14" and 22" Contender 45-70 barrels.

Best recommendation is to shorten your 28" barrels this will make then faster/handier and more accurate due to getting rid of the whip the longer barrels have the long barrels also have rifling issues.

Mine are stainless fluted the flutes now run to the end of the barrel though.

This one is my 375H&H I have it loaded with 250gr TTSX now but I'm thinking I'd like to switch them to 270gr, 300gr and 350gr loads especially if I get the barrel shortened more might even go down to 18.6" - 19" if I go to the big heavy bullets.

My pro hunter is set up with a stainless fluted 50cal muzzleloader barrel. I actually bought it because as a 50cal they are really accurate and well reviewed

I have heard the TC rifle barrels can have issues and is one reason I have held back on a rifle barrel. I have owned my pro hunter for 2years and love the fit but want to make sure a rifle barrel is worth while

Are you say cutting back the TC barrels fixed the issues with them?

Been told some of the after market barrels are good but have not found any available in Canada

[Camp Cook]

My pro hunter is set up with a stainless fluted 50cal muzzleloader barrel. I actually bought it because as a 50cal they are really accurate and well reviewed

I have heard the TC rifle barrels can have issues and is one reason I have held back on a rifle barrel. I have owned my pro hunter for 2years and love the fit but want to make sure a rifle barrel is worth while

Are you say cutting back the TC barrels fixed the issues with them?

Been told some of the after market barrels are good but have not found any available in Canada

This following test was done by David White

T/C Pro Hunter test:

A couple weeks ago, I performed a single test on 5 different T/C Pro Hunter rifles that literally cut their group size in half. Before I tell you what I did though, here is a list of the guns/calibers/loads used in this seemingly simple test...

All guns had the 28" fluted T/C Pro Hunter barrel...

All guns had Mike Bellms oversize hinge pin, heavy duty locking bolt spring and 51 lb. hammer spring...

All guns had trigger jobs with the triggers being set from 2 1/2 to 3 lbs...

All guns were shooting factory ammo...

All guns were checked before testing to make sure the mounts were tight...

Here is a list of each caliber used in the test, along with the ammo and group size before/after. I will also point out that there were 2 3-shot groups fired from the bench at 100 yards before the test and 2 3-shot groups fired after the test with the average group size listed for a ruler reading of group size measured center to center...

1) 22-250 / 55 gr. Federal Premium / before - 1 3/4" / after - 3/4"...

2) 25/06 / 117 gr. Hornady Spire Point / before - 2" / after - 1"...

3) 7mm Rem. Mag. / 140 gr. Nosler Partition / before - 2 1/2" / after - 7/8"...

4) 308 / 150 gr. Remington Core-Lokt / before - 1 1/2" / after - 3/4"...

5) 300 Win. Mag. / 180 gr. Ballistic Silver Tip / before - 2" / after - 1"...

Okay, what was the ONLY thing done to these guns to cut their group size in half? I cut 5" off the barrel and recrowned the muzzle! Well, that may actually be two things but, it stands to reason that if you cut a barrel back, it automatically gets recrowned...

So why did these guns start shooting more like what they were suppose to with a 23" barrel instead of a 28" barrel? Excessive "whip" and "vibration" as well as a total change in "harmonics"...

Here is a simple test that you can do and one that I have shown many customers. Remove your barrel from the frame and put the barrel lug in a vice and lock it down good and tight. Put a lead pencil in the muzzle end of the barrel. The wood is soft and will NOT damage the rifling or crown. Make sure the fit is good and tight. Now take a piece of paper and anchor it in front of the barrel and to where it comes in contact with the pencil. Now, with just your thumb and index finger, see just how much you can "flex" the barrel. You can very easily move the barrel 1/2" in all directions and depending on the pressure applied, it is easy to make a circle over 1" in diameter just from the barrel having so much give to it...

I have put these barrels in a lathe and run the lathe at 1,000 rpm and have shown customers how easy these barrels flex or bend with just finger tip pressure. What do you think these same overly long barrels do when a round is fired down the bore? They flex pretty much the same way but, too fast for the eye to see it. A shorter barrel though, will still flex but, to a lesser degree...

These Encore barrels also have what is referred to as a "step taper" and this too is a big cause of barrel flex. This is why that, when I build a barrel by barrel stubbing, I only use barrels that have a "straight taper" as this is what can be referred to as a self supporting structure. It does NOT whip around or flex like what the step tapered barrels do and with the vibrations lessened and harmonics dampened, accuracy potential of the barrel goes way up...

Will cutting 5" off of every barrel automatically make your barrel a better shooter? I cannot say 100% that it will but, I have yet to see one that it did not help at least to a certain degree and some more than others...

Let me also point out that something else that was noticed was "loose" spots in the bore. With all 5 of the rifles tested, when running a jag with a tight fitting patch down the bore, there was at least one if not two loose spots in the bore, with the first one usually at the 23 to 24" mark and then the second one at around 27". I cannot say for sure but, I believe this is why these barrels shot much better because of the elimination of these loose spots. This is something that you cannot "fix" in these long barrels and the only way to deal with it is to live with it being like it is or cut it off, recrown and go from there...

Velocity loss when going from a 28" barrel down to 23"? I only had time to shoot the 25-06 and 308 over the chronograph and total velocity loss for both was less than 60 fps.. I was expecting more but, and this is only my opinion, I feel the oversize bore closer to the muzzle end of the barrel was the culprit. If the bore was uniform from end to end or the muzzle end of the bore had a slight constriction to it, I would have expected a greater velocity loss. The 25-06 really surprised me as this cartridge performs admirably in a long barrel and shows it's true velocity potential. Not so in the last couple of Encore barrels I tested...

It's things like this that show the p-poor quality and design standards of T/C. It's no wonder Mike Bellm and I have so much gray hair....

DAVID WHITE

[Jelvis]

Nice lookin buck, cool three point! Congrats, patience paid off and pre scouting too.
Jel -- Blacktails are cool, I hunted them in the Fraser Valley -- thanks for the great thread --

[Blainer]

We have not seen a lot of Blacktail posted.
Handsome Buck

[Camp Cook]

That's because they are hanging out in heavy cover and I'm thinking have been nocturnal.

This picture is the terrain he was in.

[tayleoscar]

Nice buck!! Got one here on the island on Wednesday, his neck was puffy and was just starting to stink