Tahltan Central Government Requests Immediate Hunting Ban Throughout Tahltan Territor

[hawk-i]

Well just to be clear, I respectively decline their request and will continue to hunt my traditional hunting areas!

[boxhitch]

......The request by the TCG was put out due to the concern they have for wildlife......as usual the bitching seems to be due to the concern about something someone won’t get.

If someone really wants to narrow down the turmoil to a sharp edge, there are only two sides to the issue.

There are those that want to blame regulated hunters for the problems with wildlife,
and then there are those that have a view that the hunting regulations are the fail safe stop gap to overharvest
and that regulated hunters truly have little impact on populations, believing that the regs allow for the
sustainable harvest of the surplus portion of the game, the entire premise of the antler/tine/curl/duration restrictions.

Those that keep blaming regulated hunters want less opportunity, less access, less harvest, which all will lead to less hunters.
Those that have confidence in the regulations to control numbers and ratios to maximize recruitment will argue against what they see as unjust impositions and restrictions and exclusions.

Then there is the two sided coin on whether science and fact can be trusted, or whether sound reasoning is just the koolaid

Neither of these two coins has a particular label to each side in the way of rh or fn or nrh

mho )

[bearvalley]

If someone really wants to narrow down the turmoil to a sharp edge, there are only two sides to the issue.

There are those that want to blame regulated hunters for the problems with wildlife,
and then there are those that have a view that the hunting regulations are the fail safe stop gap to overharvest
and that regulated hunters truly have little impact on populations, believing that the regs allow for the
sustainable harvest of the surplus portion of the game, the entire premise of the antler/tine/curl/duration restrictions.

Those that keep blaming regulated hunters want less opportunity, less access, less harvest, which all will lead to less hunters.
Those that have confidence in the regulations to control numbers and ratios to maximize recruitment will argue against what they see as unjust impositions and restrictions and exclusions.

Then there is the two sided coin on whether science and fact can be trusted, or whether sound reasoning is just the koolaid

Neither of these two coins has a particular label to each side in the way of rh or fn or nrh

mho )

And therefor....we have what we have.....a finger pointing sinkhole of mis-information, misinterpretation, mistrust, manipulation and the list goes on.
No wonder every time we take a step ahead we slide back.

[Jordan f.]

Honest question.

They say "many will refrain from hunting and are encouraging others to do the same".

Now my question is...can a band legally cancel hunting to their own members? Or would the individuals right to hunt as a status FN over-ride the bands decision?

[Jelvis]

Hey Jordan remember an Indian Reserve has members - most have Status Cards, but some have no card. A Reserve is classed as Private property -- like yours is.
So,
a. If Indian has a Status Number he or she can hunt forever - no one can stop them on Crown land not even a Chief.
b. If Native has no number can still hunt forever on the actual reserve land he or she is from, but Chief and council can make laws where to shoot on actual rez land.
c. So a person must have an actual Status Number registered in Ottawa to be able to actually sustenance hunt or hunt for that and a bigger animal if wanted.
d. A person who is First Nation or Native and has no Status number need to follow all BC hunting Regs like any other person who has no card. When off Reserve land.
e. The difference is thee Crown Land and other private land, which makes a lot of options available for either person if they know the local deer herds.

Jel Look up Willy Alphonse Jr. case about hunting for a Status Indian, a court case he won with all judges involved explains and clears up a lot of assumptions
------Put it on here if you can cut and paste!

[Piperdown]

Boy there are a few on here that seem to know everything to bad they don't step up, maybe run the fed

[Jordan f.]

Hey Jordan remember an Indian Reserve has members - most have Status Cards, but some have no card. A Reserve is classed as Private property -- like yours is.
So,
a. If Indian has a Status Number he or she can hunt forever - no one can stop them on Crown land not even a Chief.
b. If Native has no number can still hunt forever on the actual reserve land he or she is from, but Chief and council can make laws where to shoot on actual rez land.
c. So a person must have an actual Status Number registered in Ottawa to be able to actually sustenance hunt or hunt for that and a bigger animal if wanted.
d. A person who is First Nation or Native and has no Status number need to follow all BC hunting Regs like any other person who has no card. When off Reserve land.
e. The difference is thee Crown Land and other private land, which makes a lot of options available for either person if they know the local deer herds.

Jel Look up Willy Alphonse Jr. case about hunting for a Status Indian, a court case he won with all judges involved explains and clears up a lot of assumptions
------Put it on here if you can cut and paste!

So legally speaking. All the Chief can legally do, is ask his band members (that are status) not to hunt this area. But there isn't a legal way for him to enforce it. Kinda puts an interesting spin on this. Never new that. Thanks for the info!

[S.W.A.T.]

So legally speaking. All the Chief can legally do, is ask his band members (that are status) not to hunt this area. But there isn't a legal way for him to enforce it. Kinda puts an interesting spin on this. Never new that. Thanks for the info!

The members are supposed to respect the bands decisions. If the act on their own accord they might be subject to discipline inside the band like to community service for elders or older members. But again no legal requirement more so moral.

[boxhitch]

And therefor....we have what we have.....a finger pointing sinkhole of mis-information, misinterpretation, mistrust, manipulation and the list goes on.
No wonder every time we take a step ahead we slide back.

Usually instigated by either the naive or the non-believers , or those with opposing agendas
but it doesn't take much effort to see through the smoke

[boxhitch]

Boy there are a few on here that seem to know everything to bad they don't step up, maybe run the fed

Nothing to do with the fed in particular, its just choices people make
its not rocket surgery, easy to get to the truth