NStQ First Nations, B.C., Canada advance to final treaty negotiations

[Pemby_mess]

^ ok great....So is this really helping us in understanding our current situation at hand? is this really helping us organize and address this situation to make sure we have continued access and hunting for ourselves, our children and future generations?They are here to derail and throw a wrench into us making any meaningful progress. they. do. not. care. about hunting rights.

STOP helping them derail our efforts.

I do care. I care about educated reasoned discussion regarding my own rights and privledges, just like anybody else here that is taking the time to discuss the matter.

Id suggest the squabbles aren't meaningless if people are learning from them. I am, this is my process. Are you suggesting that recreationists advocate for themselves on the first nacent thought that pops into their heads?

Ive made some suggestions toward some possible solutions the government can use to mitigate the factual, legal realities that are presently staring down recreational resource users. Feel free to comment on those. Or suggest your own. Although I don't personally find exposing the Marxist plot against straight white men, a particularly compelling course of action myself - but that's just me.

Ive been commenting on this issue, since I joined the forum. So far I've had perfect predictive accuracy. That should give me a sniff of credibility right there.

[Livewire322]

Ok what did I misquote or take out of context that would negate the criticism of me saying that you saying the "whole model is incorrect" is akin to those who deny the science of evolution or climate change?

I didn’t say that you misquoted me or took out of context what I said, did I?
I said that you, much like anti-vaxxers, tend to isolate one talking point rather than addressing all of what is said.

What simple statistics would you use, when you don't have control groups or defined treatments and have multiple covariates and an array of different random and fixed effects?

Jassmine, it’s really not all that hard to think of a study in which doctors are given information enough to diagnose someone while keeping race out of it and then repeating the same with race known.

[Sirloin]

That was another members post you are accusing me of. Do you think anyone here is convinced you don't stand AGAINST the very thing they love to do most in the world and want to pass down to their children.

[DarekG]

Did you ever consider that I am highlighting the whole model as an area that I believe is incorrect.

Exactly why I didn't bother responding because no progress will be made, academia has been infiltrated by socialists so now when you disagree with a "study" (I use the term loosely) you are branded as an imbecile.

How much of those studies are based on anecdotal evidence and perceived bias?

I've suffered through the recovery of a few surgeries because I didn't want to make it look like I was "seeking drugs" for my pain because at the time, as a young male, in my head, that's how the doctor might have interpreted it and made notes for the future. The truth was T3's weren't cutting it for pain management and I was afraid to ask for alternatives because I didn't want to even remotely risk being branded as a "drug seeker" by medical professionals in the future.

Is that racial bias? Did I feel persecuted because of the demographic I was in? No. I just know that other dumb kids my age ruined it for others so I had to adjust my individual behavior. There is no way I would blame the doctor.

Or maybe Doctors (you know, the ones with the actual day to day experience dealing with these people) are treating patients differently for good reason?
Do you think the term "frequent flyer" was made up as a derogatory term or maybe, juuuuust maybe a stereotype was being fulfilled to have them labelled as such?

[jassmine]

Jassmine, it’s really not all that hard to think of a study in which doctors are given information enough to diagnose someone while keeping race out of it and then repeating the same with race known.

Well I never asked you anything regarding study design. You are switching topics away from statistics to study design, a study that if done in the real world is not simple.
How would you do this study then, that would recreate the real life in person scenarios we're discussing? And how would you perform a "simple analysis" on said study.

When defending the articles that you posted you held them up as an example of “more sophisticated statistical modeling” and I’m saying that simple statistics would suffice.

What simple statistics would you use, when you don't have control groups or defined treatments and have multiple covariates and an array of different random and fixed effects?

[Pemby_mess]

If the study took a group of doctors and did a blind study, wherein doctors are asked to diagnose patients without knowing their race and then comparing it to diagnoses where they did know their race I’d trust the data. Asking people about their experience in a system is a flawed method that will only yield flawed results.

It gets a lot less flawed when you're asking people in all healthcare capacities about their experiences. If all of those subjective perspectives point to the same cause/effect, you know you're onto objective understanding.

This is not at all controversial among recently educated Canadian providers btw.

[DarekG]

Jassmine, you and some others on HBC would benefit from learning about the classic "Prisoners Dilemma" in a political context to learn why asking people how they feel, at a benefit to them, against others - Will not work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma

[jassmine]

That was another members post you are accusing me of. Do you think anyone here is convinced you don't stand AGAINST the very thing they love to do most in the world and want to pass down to their children.

Certainly looks like yours:

[Sirloin]

This pair must get real worked up when they start seeing the BC hunting community not fighting eachother and comming together on a serious issue.

We know our aim is right over the target then boys and girls.

I will stop engaging from this point on with them I hope others realize these tactics and hold back. they want threads like this shut down

[Pemby_mess]

Jassmine, it’s really not all that hard to think of a study in which doctors are given information enough to diagnose someone while keeping race out of it and then repeating the same with race known.

Even if you were able to do that, it wouldn't be at all indicative of how things are actually done in medicine. What data would you cross reference the blind data with, when we're talking about isolating race as a variable? You're just thinking of work arounds to falsify the conclusions, but do you really think others haven't tried that with more sophisticated methods?