Wolf Cull Needed says Biologist

[Darksith]

The elk herd has been declining for decades it says. Find out why things started declining 30 yrs ago, yes wolves are having a effect on things now
but not what got it there. This report makes things sound pretty drastic whole herds are gone, others numbers depleated if its as bad as they are
saying why still allow hunting of the few remaining. Should opportunity be put ahead of conservation.

speaking of anti hunters lurking around looking to divide us...

So just restrict opportunity but don't bother to hold any government accountable to protect and maintain healthy wildlife populations hey? Great idea, very well thought out. The governemnt holds our wildlife in trust, but that trust is being broken through lack of proper management. You know what started 30 years ago...the recovery of wolf populations! Conservation requires financial investment not simply restriction of opportunity. Ban this fool!

[Wild one]

speaking of anti hunters lurking around looking to divide us...

So just restrict opportunity but don't bother to hold any government accountable to protect and maintain healthy wildlife populations hey? Great idea, very well thought out. The governemnt holds our wildlife in trust, but that trust is being broken through lack of proper management. You know what started 30 years ago...the recovery of wolf populations! Conservation requires financial investment not simply restriction of opportunity. Ban this fool!

You do realize that the BS you are pulling right now is a great example of how hunters have become divided and weak over time

Because one hunter proffer a different style of management that is more conservative then the present model does not make them an anti.

You do realize most of North America runs a more conservative management system and even those who manage some areas for max opurtunity usually manage other are in a more conservative nature

Guess a lot of hunters outside of B.C. are antis?

The attitude you are showing and those who promote it in BC are one of the big reasons hunters in BC are divided and lack a strong voice in turn getting railroaded

So look in the mirror when you point your finger at another hunter and call them an anti because they don’t agree with how BC is managed.

[Ourea]

Good one, wonder how many other Bios would agree?

Hurley said we must have a proper Predator Control Program, Mandatory Harvest Data, Better Awareness.
Funding for more confirmed Science won't change a thing. Funding for changes to Antis thinking maybe?
Too bad some members still want to hang on to the debate.

I dug up a old Petersen's Hunting from 1977 Title was "Big-Lie Tactic Stops Hunting". It was all about the Polar Bear Hunts in Alaska, and the Marine Mammal Protection Act.
So similar to our G Bear Ban, they gave it up and allowed the Natives to carry on. The annual harvest went through the roof, yet another emotional move that did nothing for wildlife.

How much funding went into that fight without little change?

Wolves are next on the list and the Ungulates will suffer once again, if our leaders don't take a stand. Our Bios need a stronger representation that has to hit home.

Bownut, there isn't a bio in BC that is not acutely aware of the pred dynamic playing out and the habitat challenges facing the future of wildlife. They wish they actually had a budget to use in their various regions to help. They spend a growing amount of their time dealing with hunters bitching about season this, regulation that, while numbers tank.

Habitat enhancement....
Habitat acquisition........
Grow general public awareness .........
Make wildlife a priority in this province.....

This takes money, and a lot of it.

And, in today's culture you sure as shit better have empirical science and data to back up ur shit if you want to impact change. Opinions make sweet f*ck all difference at the end of the day.

[Danny_29]

You do realize that the BS you are pulling right now is a great example of how hunters have become divided and weak over time

Because one hunter proffer a different style of management that is more conservative then the present model does not make them an anti.

You do realize most of North America runs a more conservative management system and even those who manage some areas for max opurtunity usually manage other are in a more conservative nature

Guess a lot of hunters outside of B.C. are antis?

The attitude you are showing and those who promote it in BC are one of the big reasons hunters in BC are divided and lack a strong voice in turn getting railroaded

So look in the mirror when you point your finger at another hunter and call them an anti because they don’t agree with how BC is managed.

Agree with this. Whose the real troll?

[northof49]

[QUOTE=Wild one;1974754]You do realize that the BS you are pulling right now is a great example of how hunters have become divided and weak over time

Because one hunter proffer a different style of management that is more conservative then the present model does not make them an anti.[QUOTE]

Post history says it all....dig deeper

[Wild one]

[QUOTE=northof49;1974824][QUOTE=Wild one;1974754]You do realize that the BS you are pulling right now is a great example of how hunters have become divided and weak over time

Because one hunter proffer a different style of management that is more conservative then the present model does not make them an anti.

Post history says it all....dig deeper

Please clarify in PM if you must

if you claim either is an anti please provide proof

I know there is antis on this forum not blind to it

[Bugle M In]

Yes, most Bios agree that wolves are on the High cycle, and contributing to ungulate loss.
Unfortunately, some feel that "nature" should take care of this.
In other words, eventually ungulate #'s drop to a real low point, that wolves eventually "die off due to starvation", cuase they have depleted their food resources.
That's true, this is the natural cycle, BUT, this is a great model, if humans didn't exist on the planet, and consumed every type of resource you can imagine.
So, we, and they, have to accept that things have to be "managed", so we don't have those real low cycles.
We need to eat too...or starve off half the planets human inhabitants.
That's the issue I have with those that just say it's a natural cycle, so lets do nothing.
We have to do something, we need to balance to pred #'s in relation to the ungulate #'s.
And to have both ungulate #'s and Pred #'s higher, we need to get habitat back to a healthy dynamic state.
OR, we can just wait for the entire province to "burn down" (which could happen soon..IMO), thus better habitat, but, we will have to watch ungulates drop to the point where wolves die off....
Which means we would have to stop hunting for the next 20 years.
And I am not willing to sit on the sidelines and wait for that, if I could do something about it now!

[LBM]

[QUOTE=Wild one;1974839][QUOTE=northof49;1974824]

You do realize that the BS you are pulling right now is a great example of how hunters have become divided and weak over time

Because one hunter proffer a different style of management that is more conservative then the present model does not make them an anti.

Please clarify in PM if you must

if you claim either is an anti please provide proof

I know there is antis on this forum not blind to it

Ya Im interested to.

[wideopenthrottle]

Yes, most Bios agree that wolves are on the High cycle, and contributing to ungulate loss.
Unfortunately, some feel that "nature" should take care of this.
In other words, eventually ungulate #'s drop to a real low point, that wolves eventually "die off due to starvation", cuase they have depleted their food resources.
That's true, this is the natural cycle, BUT, this is a great model, if humans didn't exist on the planet, and consumed every type of resource you can imagine.
So, we, and they, have to accept that things have to be "managed", so we don't have those real low cycles.
We need to eat too...or starve off half the planets human inhabitants.
That's the issue I have with those that just say it's a natural cycle, so lets do nothing.
We have to do something, we need to balance to pred #'s in relation to the ungulate #'s.
And to have both ungulate #'s and Pred #'s higher, we need to get habitat back to a healthy dynamic state.
OR, we can just wait for the entire province to "burn down" (which could happen soon..IMO), thus better habitat, but, we will have to watch ungulates drop to the point where wolves die off....
Which means we would have to stop hunting for the next 20 years.
And I am not willing to sit on the sidelines and wait for that, if I could do something about it now!

one of the best and most concise wording of the basic concept of wildlife management....well done!!!

It is simply about smoothing out the oscillations.....

Who, in their right mind, would agree that feast or famine would work for them or an animal population....

The ones saying "let nature take its course" while there is high in the pop cycle numbers will be the same ones to cry "we need to do something" when it crashes....they will say this without actually knowing what the correct thing is "to do"....ie manage populations for equilibrium...

Sometimes we, as managers of wildlife, need to step up the killing on the prey animals and sometimes we need to step up killing on the preds...that is sound management imho

edit: this assumes there is sufficient habitat to sustain any given animal population, of course!!!

[Drillbit]

Yes, most Bios agree that wolves are on the High cycle, and contributing to ungulate loss.
Unfortunately, some feel that "nature" should take care of this.
In other words, eventually ungulate #'s drop to a real low point, that wolves eventually "die off due to starvation", cuase they have depleted their food resources.
That's true, this is the natural cycle, BUT, this is a great model, if humans didn't exist on the planet, and consumed every type of resource you can imagine.
So, we, and they, have to accept that things have to be "managed", so we don't have those real low cycles.
We need to eat too...or starve off half the planets human inhabitants.
That's the issue I have with those that just say it's a natural cycle, so lets do nothing.
We have to do something, we need to balance to pred #'s in relation to the ungulate #'s.
And to have both ungulate #'s and Pred #'s higher, we need to get habitat back to a healthy dynamic state.
OR, we can just wait for the entire province to "burn down" (which could happen soon..IMO), thus better habitat, but, we will have to watch ungulates drop to the point where wolves die off....
Which means we would have to stop hunting for the next 20 years.
And I am not willing to sit on the sidelines and wait for that, if I could do something about it now!

To let the natural cycles play out isn't the best idea to me.


Once the Predators run out of ungulates they'll start hitting livestock harder. This is already happening.

Secondly, to quit hunting moose for 20 years would just slow down the cycle.