Mule Deer Restrictions

[guest]

Natives don’t typically kill deer, moose now that’s a different story

Wow, you best hunt more areas that you perceive this then .......... I couldn't disagree with you more on this issue, I'm presently hunting Reg, 2,3,5 and 8.......

[Wild one]

Wolves don't have a significant effect on deer from the studies conducted. Analysis of scat indicate as little as 1% mortality across study areas by wolves. Some areas may get hit harder if moose numbers are low, but in general, they don't determine deer populations (despite what "local" anecdotal opinion is).

But wolves do have a dramatic effect on moose, elk, and the few caribou we have left.

Moose are a target, preferred species for wolves. They'll kill whatever else they encounter if they can get them, but their efforts are focussed on moose in moose habitat.

Correct when elk and/or moose present most studies show low wolf predation on deer. Cougar, coyote, and black bear are way larger impact on deer under these conditions

Now when elk/moose numbers are low or non existent there are studies that show wolf predation actually increases a lot not just a little when it comes to deer.

Wolves are not specialized predators and adapt to avialible prey species but yes they have proffered prey. Wolves effects on deer is more about available prey species

Still Cougar and coyote have a larger impact on mule deer

[IronNoggin]

Now when elk/moose numbers are low or non existent there are studies that show wolf predation actually increases a lot not just a little when it comes to deer...

And this is exactly why I detest generalizations.
Although there are Elk on the Island, they are rather much NOT preferred prey for wolves.
Yummy little blacktails certainly are.

Yes, the cats play a large role as well, but even for FD, it is well reaching to suggest that "Wolves don't have a significant effect on deer from the studies conducted". That right there is what I'd call bullshit if we're looking province wide. And in areas where the moose / elk / alternative populations are low or do not exist, is about as far out as one can get.

Cheers,
Nog

[Wild one]

And this is exactly why I detest generalizations.
Although there are Elk on the Island, they are rather much NOT preferred prey for wolves.
Yummy little blacktails certainly are.

Yes, the cats play a large role as well, but even for FD, it is well reaching to suggest that "Wolves don't have a significant effect on deer from the studies conducted". That right there is what I'd call bullshit if we're looking province wide. And in areas where the moose / elk / alternative populations are low or do not exist, is about as far out as one can get.

Cheers,
Nog

I have read the study for northern Vancouver Island and it showed really high impact on BT do to wolf predation. It supports what you are saying 100%. Did not focus on this because it’s FD his defence would have been well that’s not mule deer lol

overall I am in agreement that wolf predation on deer is high in parts of BC

[Ourea]

When you're hungry.....preferred meals go out the window.

[houndogger]

Wolves don't have a significant effect on deer from the studies conducted. Analysis of scat indicate as little as 1% mortality across study areas by wolves. Some areas may get hit harder if moose numbers are low, but in general, they don't determine deer populations (despite what "local" anecdotal opinion is).

But wolves do have a dramatic effect on moose, elk, and the few caribou we have left.

Moose are a target, preferred species for wolves. They'll kill whatever else they encounter if they can get them, but their efforts are focussed on moose in moose habitat.

Effects of wolf predation on recruitment of black-tailed deer on northeastern Vancouver Island by Ian Hatter 1988

[Wild one]

You guys be careful if you don’t agree with FD you might be a GO or anti LMAO

[Stone Sheep Steve]

Wouldn't it have been great to have our own studies conducted AS stuff was actually happening?

Building a population of wolves with good elk or moose numbers is definitely going to have out-reaching effects on other game.....including deer and black bears.

SSS

[Timbow]

Wouldn't it have been great to have our own studies conducted AS stuff was actually happening?

Building a population of wolves with good elk or moose numbers is definitely going to have out-reaching effects on other game.....including deer and black bears.

SSS

Could not have said it any better.....might even find cow hair in the scat.

[dana]

Wolves don't have a significant effect on deer from the studies conducted. Analysis of scat indicate as little as 1% mortality across study areas by wolves. Some areas may get hit harder if moose numbers are low, but in general, they don't determine deer populations (despite what "local" anecdotal opinion is).

But wolves do have a dramatic effect on moose, elk, and the few caribou we have left.

Moose are a target, preferred species for wolves. They'll kill whatever else they encounter if they can get them, but their efforts are focussed on moose in moose habitat.

FD, I invite you to shut your computer off, come out of your mother's basement, and take a drive up to Clearwater. I will personally show you all my hidey holes that are currently void of deer because of Wolves. You can sit on your high horse making assumptions or you can actually put boots on the ground and see for youself. And before you go off about logging and all that BS as blame, my hidey holes have zero logging as they are in a very large wilderness area where wolves are actually protected. I was just up yesterday. All i can find is some pretty waterfalls.