Cranbrook Whities

[drakfero]

And this is exactly what is happening..
People shoot does with fawns next to them so you loose doe to hunter and 2 fawns to predators..

No it doesn't.

Herd productivity falls rapidly when it consists only of adults. Without fawn recruitment, mortality of adults would see your populations go in the shitter as adults die from various causes.

All that matters is fawn recruitment. Refer to the table above for optimum fawn levels. Anything under 30 - 35 fawns/100 does will result in herd instability.

[Fisher-Dude]

And this is exactly what is happening..
People shoot does with fawns next to them so you loose doe to hunter and 2 fawns to predators..

Studies show that there is no significant increase in WT fawn mortality when the doe is taken.

Whitetail are gregarious animals. Fawns are never on their own very long.

One study found that 49% of fawns were not offspring of the doe they were hanging with.

[Liveforthehunt]

Study's or first hand experience from hundreds of bc res hunters . Lol FD will argue even if he's 100% wrong ... next your going to tell us there is no problems with the salmon pops on the Fraser or in general for that matter

[HarryToolips]

Harry : You missed the point completely ....And I might add don't know what you are talking about ...

Oh? So your saying I'm wrong that WT deer breed at a far higher rate than moose?? Or that mule deer are different than caribou and that the primary cause of the caribou decline is loss of old growth forests and the food loss associated with that??

[Dannybuoy]

2-lips .... You missed the point of comparing the theory that eliminating the moose from the landscape would save the caribou from the wolves
Eliminating the WT will not do much to save the mulies from the wolves
Onyour other points , yes wt are more prolific breeders than moose BUT eliminate the predators and the population thrives
Yes mule deer are indeed different than caribou
No, in bc the primary cause of the caribou is predators , habitat is secondary

[Fisher-Dude]

Study's or first hand experience from hundreds of bc res hunters .

How many orphaned fawns have you watched get killed?

Probably not more than zero.

Sadly, our wildlife managers waste a pile of time and money dealing with the ignorance of much of the hunting community.

[HighCountryBC]

Study's or first hand experience from hundreds of bc res hunters . Lol FD will argue even if he's 100% wrong ... next your going to tell us there is no problems with the salmon pops on the Fraser or in general for that matter

There's a reason most hunter's input ranks low on the list. Most people, even if they don't intend to, end up exaggerating facts and not remembering exactly how things played out or what they saw.

[Fisher-Dude]

Eliminating the WT will not do much to save the mulies from the wolves

Wolves kill about 1% of mule deer.

How much money and effort should we waste on that?

[Dannybuoy]

WTF ?? You guys are the ones that said it was the plan to lower the wt population because it was attracting predators and they were hard on the mulie pop .
This thread thread has gone soooo sideways I,m done !
p.s. post #78

[Fisher-Dude]

WTF ?? You guys are the ones that said it was the plan to lower the wt population because it was attracting predators and they were hard on the mulie pop .
This thread thread has gone soooo sideways I,m done !
p.s. post #78

Cats, not dogs.

All these guys that claim to have watched the Hebblewhite presentation seem to have missed large portions of it. But shit, right at the beginning, the discussion was about wolves' negligible impact on mule deer populations.