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    Non local band night hunting elk at Pitt River

    That pretty much says it. Coquitlam band has no allocation, but some
    fellows have taken it upon themselves to go elk hunting at the Pitt.

    Before you go after me for spreading rumours:
    They introduced themselves to a local yesterday by saying "We are from the Coquitlam Band and we are here to kill elk".

    Quadding up and down the road with rifles and lights until 11pm.
    Trespassing on quads on private property, they do not appear to know
    what is crown land ( none of the valley floor where they are) and what is private.

    Locals are not happy with the visitors. There are a couple other bands that have allocations up there and harvested their elk in September and October in an organized fashion.

    I don't know who deals with night hunting and such, but I hope some sort of enforcement gets up there and does some enforcing.
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    Re: Non local band night hunting elk at Pitt River

    If you can get the Coquitlam band involved odds of seeing results improves

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    Re: Non local band night hunting elk at Pitt River

    Quote Originally Posted by Wild one View Post
    If you can get the Coquitlam band involved odds of seeing results improves
    I was just going to say....
    Contact the Band that does get those "allocations" for that area....
    Sadly, that may be the only way to get it to stop.
    The CO's should be the ones....but again...they don't.....
    And to be honest...saying that CO's don't get involved on FN issues is getting tiring!!!
    We should be on the CO's asses to enforce that...
    In turn, the CO's may get on their bosses to make it stick!
    It's why I don't really care about "transplanting" game, like these elk, in FN areas....
    What's the point...we never get to hunt them....and they get to do whatever they want with them....
    Why do we do that??????
    Don't get me wrong, it ain't all FN....but these transplants just never come to fruition in these type of areas...
    Yes, the elk were starting to get hold in the area....and now this......sad day again.
    I guess I will be in touch with a few of those locals to see if this is true.....I hope I am wrong.

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    Re: Non local band night hunting elk at Pitt River

    Quote Originally Posted by Bugle M In View Post
    I was just going to say....
    Contact the Band that does get those "allocations" for that area....
    Sadly, that may be the only way to get it to stop.
    The CO's should be the ones....but again...they don't.....
    And to be honest...saying that CO's don't get involved on FN issues is getting tiring!!!
    We should be on the CO's asses to enforce that...
    In turn, the CO's may get on their bosses to make it stick!
    It's why I don't really care about "transplanting" game, like these elk, in FN areas....
    What's the point...we never get to hunt them....and they get to do whatever they want with them....
    Why do we do that??????
    Don't get me wrong, it ain't all FN....but these transplants just never come to fruition in these type of areas...
    Yes, the elk were starting to get hold in the area....and now this......sad day again.
    I guess I will be in touch with a few of those locals to see if this is true.....I hope I am wrong.
    Some bands get really pissed at FNs hunting their territories without permission

    As for COs hounding them with do little many gave up because of how cases end in front of a judge. Need to harass those above COs so they have the power and faith to do their job

    There are COs that would love to have the power to make charges stick on FN going outside of their rights.

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    Re: Non local band night hunting elk at Pitt River

    The law side of the system is weak and clouded with remorse.

    Out current law system plays into the hands of people intent on abusing the system, rather than uphold like us.


    I blame the COs and the judges, the old saying goes:


    Give them an inch and they will take a mile



    Well, we sure have given them a few inches....

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    Re: Non local band night hunting elk at Pitt River

    There are COs that would love to have the power to make charges stick on FN going outside of their rights.
    First the rights that F.N have has to be defined.
    I don't think it is fair the they claim their right but use our technology.

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    Re: Non local band night hunting elk at Pitt River

    I wouldn't be surprised if some of the property owners up there were to harvest
    an elk or two and blame it on the natives now that it's been established there are
    natives actively hunting there.

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    Re: Non local band night hunting elk at Pitt River

    But thats a traditional method of hunting by moonlight havent you heard?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild one View Post
    Some bands get really pissed at FNs hunting their territories without permission
    Assuming the horsemen have been invited...

    This is likely the best course of action.
    If those who live there, and as you put it are responsible and organized in their allocated harvest, they do tend to get a tad jaded when intruders arrive. I would be making damn certain these band(s) are informed asap.

    Also make certain the band of the intruders is aware - by that I mean the Chief, Council & Elders' Council asap.
    It may be a "renegade" (not sanctioned) action, and their leaders may be able to exert an influence.

    Pictures. Observation and recording. Think eventual media / court.
    Get the message to the media - they may duck, but they may not...
    Be willing to stand up in court and testify that is was your private land this poaching occurred on. Make that well known.
    Try not to become endangered doing so.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigredchev View Post
    I blame the COs and the judges...

    Give them an inch and they will take a mile...
    I truly agree with how many inches we're currently taking.

    However, the CO's are not in any position to decide who gets charged in these types of cases, and who does not. In fact, if some are warned not to charge in a given situation and still do, they will pace penalties for that decision.

    Judges are a problem in many cases. So much so, and so high up, that I personally consider our supreme court (as it stands) to be utterly inept when dealing with anything of this (and some others) nature.

    Politicians are the worst of the lot. Fawning and lusting for votes, and paying particular attention to the winds of political correctness as it applies to any situation. In a great many instances, pressure from these locusts decides an unjust and unworthy outcome for reprehensible actions.

    Under the current (and constantly being adversely tested) system, well... Houston, We Have A Problem...

    I do hope the offenders come to their senses before someone decides to do that for them...

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    Re: Non local band night hunting elk at Pitt River

    Quote Originally Posted by 303savage View Post
    First the rights that F.N have has to be defined.
    I don't think it is fair the they claim their right but use our technology.
    Gawd that has to be the stupidest thing native haters have come up with...you should try to drop it from your rants. just sayin

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