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  1. #111
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    Re: Another

    Hmm flying out of Williams lake on medivac. .used to have to be airborne for decent amount of time..would usually spot wolves laying on the ice...towards the end of my carreer..we were seeing wolves just west of Williams lake minutes after takeoff..
    Numbers went from 3 ..4..to 8 ..9 in a group. ..largest group ever was just after flying " through the gap " near the Itches en route to Anihiem" lake in gcreeks" neck of the woods...there were over 15 animals..not exact number..120 mp. .1500 feet..big pack.
    Hope the trappers and your steady eye get the numbers down Dave.
    Steven

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    Shooting from helicopters sounds good in theory. It takes a very skilled marksman a significant amount of time to learn how to do it right (don't let the videos of helicopter hog hunting give you impression it's easy...hogs move way differently than wolves and the terrain they hunt them in lends itself to the use of helicopters.)

    Last year, in an attempt to protect a caribou heard, the BC Govt had a helicopter wolf kill program. Pilots on the program reported that lots of wolves were seen and targeted and lots of ammo was used, but hitting the wolves was proving to be difficult. The helicopter company flew almost 400 hours for the program that winter. 87 wolves were killed during the program. That's 4.59 hours of helicopter flying time to kill one wolf! Surprisingly, no one from the Govt asked the crews to get a rough count of the number of wolves they spotted...an opportunity to get some solid information was squandered.

    I guess the moral of the story is...save money; support your local trapper! But shootin' 'em from a helicopter would be fun!

  3. #113
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    Maybe try drones ... I volunteer to joy stick'em from here ...

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  4. #114
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    Re: Another

    Quote Originally Posted by northernguy View Post
    Shooting from helicopters sounds good in theory. It takes a very skilled marksman a significant amount of time to learn how to do it right (don't let the videos of helicopter hog hunting give you impression it's easy...hogs move way differently than wolves and the terrain they hunt them in lends itself to the use of helicopters.)

    Last year, in an attempt to protect a caribou heard, the BC Govt had a helicopter wolf kill program. Pilots on the program reported that lots of wolves were seen and targeted and lots of ammo was used, but hitting the wolves was proving to be difficult. The helicopter company flew almost 400 hours for the program that winter. 87 wolves were killed during the program. That's 4.59 hours of helicopter flying time to kill one wolf! Surprisingly, no one from the Govt asked the crews to get a rough count of the number of wolves they spotted...an opportunity to get some solid information was squandered.

    I guess the moral of the story is...save money; support your local trapper! But shootin' 'em from a helicopter would be fun!
    I wonder if the shooters were professional marksmen or regular COs on an outing...... A story told me several years ago had an excited CO shooting a hole through the roof of the helicopter on a wolf hunt. Two different retired COs told the story so I'm assuming there is truth to it.

    Kind of likening a hair dresser to a heart surgeon, they both handle sharp tools, one just has to use a little more finesse to complete the task.

  5. #115
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    An ad in a helicopter is a serious thing. Like real serious. Like transport Canada investigation serious. Not to mention expensive. I think a astar
    canopy is around 40 k before labour and paint. Not to mention if a blade was hit. They are somewhere around 170 grand a set.

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    Local folks were hired as shooters for the project. They had to demonstrate that they could hit a target off a bench at 100 meters before they were hired ! No doubt that had a huge impact on the results. Still...shooting accurately from a helicopter is very tough.

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    Some interesting pieces of info regarding wolves in the latest survey release on boreal caribou herds

    http://registrelep-sararegistry.gc.c...7Oct31-Eng.pdf

    The fourth local population (AB5) increased to ≥ 100 animals in response to delivery of an annual wolf population reduction program.

    ECCC is conducting research examining how the abundance and distribution of wolves is affected by human-caused disturbance. The collaboration involves a number of wolf experts from academia and provincial and territorial governments from across the country. The results from the national wolf habitat analysis will be made available to the public in the form of a peer-reviewed article submitted to a scientific journal.

    Natural Disturbance Fire is the dominant disturbance agent in boreal caribou habitat. Fires generate forage for other ungulate species, resulting in increased wolf populations and an increase in wolf predation on caribou. The impact of fire on caribou habitat is recognized by the BC Wildfire Service and work has started to develop a fire response/suppression strategy to reduce the impacts to caribou habitat which are included in the draft 2017 BCRIP

    Mortality and Population Management Managing predators and primary prey Best available data indicates that the majority of boreal caribou mortalities are related to wolf predation. Radio-collared wolves and wolf census surveys found that the density of wolves exceeds the recommended density of 3 wolves/1,000 km2 in all surveyed areas.

    Manage direct human-caused mortality of boreal caribou BC has prohibited the legal harvest of boreal caribou. This does not preclude a Treaty right to sustenance harvest; however, First Nations’ voluntarily imposed a hunting moratorium. Other sources of direct mortality are considered to be low risk.

    Alberta manages populations of other ungulate species (moose, deer, elk) in caribou ranges, with particular attention to addressing the increase in numbers of these species which result from wolf population reductions and ongoing habitat change. Management of moose, deer and elk will be achieved through a combination of harvest by Indigenous peoples, and general and special hunting licence opportunities.

    First Nations are able to harvest caribou in Alberta under rights identified in treaties. Some communities, however, have announced voluntary cessation of woodland caribou hunting. There is no licenced recreational harvest of caribou in Alberta and few known occurrences of poaching.

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    Total missing for this year added up. We know of two cows that committed suicide and 3 calves that died of other causes.

    31 calves, 2 yearling heifers and 6 cows. We also doctored on and saved 7 other calves wounded by wolves or bears. Were able to verify 4 head that we will be compensated for. A few neighbors with the same kind of numbers.

    Snow arrived a few days back and wolf tracks everywhere.

    Caribou with a wolf on it's heels by the tracks ran 9 km down the road last Sunday and then veered off on another road. Never bothered to follow up to see how much farther they went before the caribou got killed.

    On a good note, #3 trapped wolf died today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcreek View Post
    Total missing for this year added up. We know of two cows that committed suicide and 3 calves that died of other causes.

    31 calves, 2 yearling heifers and 6 cows. We also doctored on and saved 7 other calves wounded by wolves or bears. Were able to verify 4 head that we will be compensated for. A few neighbors with the same kind of numbers.

    Snow arrived a few days back and wolf tracks everywhere.

    Caribou with a wolf on it's heels by the tracks ran 9 km down the road last Sunday and then veered off on another road. Never bothered to follow up to see how much farther they went before the caribou got killed.

    On a good note, #3 trapped wolf died today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpotzold View Post
    Don't understand!
    Jump off a cliff?
    Cows have a thousand ways to kill themselves. These two got rolled over on their grass filled bellies on a hummock and died on their back. Ruminants won't last long on their back. They bloat up pretty quick.

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