anyone know when the cattle in Reg 3 have to be in by?

[GoatGuy]

Cows been there more then a hundred and fifty years and you can still hunt sheep..think about that.

Like everything else, there isn't one 'silver bullet' - pile of stresses on wildlife and sheep including psoroptes. Over-grazing up top is a known issue.

The fencing exclosures and plots are the best places to check if interested - not sure if they're even being monitored now. You could call the range or parks branch.

Alternatively you can compare the grass on either side of the fence above south slopes, or ask the outfitter (he packs feed in), or cut a horse loose up top and see if you can find 'em in the AM if you're into the anecdotal.

Again, evidence is probably the best thing for discussion.

So far as "Cows been there more then a hundred and fifty years and you can still hunt sheep..think about that." There will likely be two tags in the whole ashnola (both snowy and crater combined) next year. Wouldn't at all be surprised if it was closed. Certainly isn't all about grazing, pile of stresses on sheep in that country, grazing is but one.

[GoatGuy]

Your tunnel vision is getting the best of you Jesse.

If you don't get a bunch of wolves and bears dealt with your habitat just as well be cow feed. At least Cattlemen are dealing with that problem. Is BCFW helping foot that bill at all? Maybe adding a voice? Or are you protecting them also?

Yep, predators play a huge role with habitat alienation, no doubt. Definitely good discussion for another thread.


Pretty sure the BCWF has been working with the Cattlemen on the issue, among others like wild salmon habitat staff and post fire habitat restoration and will continue doing so. Nobody likes over-grazing, slob hunters, or bad land use management - generally speaking we all see eye to eye on that stuff. Nice thing is we work well with the folks doing the science, gives us a good starting place to make informed decisions.

[horshur]

Like everything else, there isn't one 'silver bullet' - pile of stresses on wildlife and sheep including psoroptes. Over-grazing up top is a known issue.

The fencing exclosures and plots are the best places to check if interested - not sure if they're even being monitored now. You could call the range or parks branch.

Alternatively you can compare the grass on either side of the fence above south slopes, or ask the outfitter (he packs feed in), or cut a horse loose up top and see if you can find 'em in the AM if you're into the anecdotal.

Again, evidence is probably the best thing for discussion.

So far as "Cows been there more then a hundred and fifty years and you can still hunt sheep..think about that." There will likely be two tags in the whole ashnola (both snowy and crater combined) next year. Wouldn't at all be surprised if it was closed. Certainly isn't all about grazing, pile of stresses on sheep in that country, grazing is but one.

so Jessie what you are saying is that they are giving out the tags they should have been finely!!!!...maybe they will get with the program on the moose too..Wells Grey..Adams ect Ad fineum

[kevan]

Anyone know when hunting season is over? Getting annoyed with trespassers and dickheads leaving my gates open. Does that sound as nice as your post?

Speaking as a former cattle farmer I couldn't agree more.
Gcreek you are welcome at my campfire anytime...

[labguy]

Cows been there more then a hundred and fifty years and you can still hunt sheep..think about that.

Im not sure what this comment is supposed to mean.

Being happy that there are still a few places left to hunt, where there is a wild animal or two left on the landscape is basically giving up.

You're content to let this continual downhill slide in game populations and hunting opportunities continue?

Attitudes like that do nothing to foster the energy and resolve needed to enhance and improve game management and hunting opportunities in this province......think about that.

[338win mag]

Im not sure what this comment is supposed to mean.

Being happy that there are still a few places left to hunt, where there is a wild animal or two left on the landscape is basically giving up.

You're content to let this continual downhill slide in game populations and hunting opportunities continue?

Attitudes like that do nothing to foster the energy and resolve needed to enhance and improve game management and hunting opportunities in this province......think about that.

Exactly....the sheep were here for thousands of years before the bovine, did anyone think about that??

Up in one of our hunting area's I see that water level is the worst I have ever seen it, real scarce. Every watering hole, creek, swamp had a group of cows hanging around, ruining the water, unfit for a dog to drink and were supposed to be ok with that?

Just waiting for the ungulate population to come down with some kind of disease while sharing a contaminated watering hole with these cows.

[gcreek]

Exactly....the sheep were here for thousands of years before the bovine, did anyone think about that??

Up in one of our hunting area's I see that water level is the worst I have ever seen it, real scarce. Every watering hole, creek, swamp had a group of cows hanging around, ruining the water, unfit for a dog to drink and were supposed to be ok with that?

Just waiting for the ungulate population to come down with some kind of disease while sharing a contaminated watering hole with these cows.

That is a very similar mindset to the bunny huggers when they refer to people living in bear country.

[guest]

Got to love the terracing too, looks so natural, and found every where the bovine invades, easy to walk on too.

Brutal.

[Swamp mule]

gettin annoyed with grazing leases and cows everywhere, does anyone know when the farmers are supposed to have their cows in by?

If they are grazing leases then you should not be on their hunting until the cows are off the land. However if they are on crown range then you are allowed to hunt while they are on range. Grazing licenses and Grazing Leases are two entirely different entities of tenures. One has the rights to forage (licenses) while the other (leases) there is more rights to the land as the leassee pays taxes. Licenses always start with "RAN" followed with a number whereas, a lease is always just a number.

[GoatGuy]

so Jessie what you are saying is that they are giving out the tags they should have been finely!!!!...maybe they will get with the program on the moose too..Wells Grey..Adams ect Ad fineum

No, that's not what was said at all.

What was said was: "There will likely be two tags in the whole ashnola (both snowy and crater combined) next year. Wouldn't at all be surprised if it was closed. "

Managers and ecologists recognize closing it will have no effect on recovery, but it's part of the management procedure. Either way not a big deal.

Think the challenge here is beliefs-based systems making decisions in isolation of science. Not restricted to HBC, see it on Raincoast's social media as well. Beliefs first, science when it suits. Part of the post-truth era.