Breaking news ... Grizzly bear hunt demise

[jassmine]

wow really? Duh. Calling yourself a hunter, yet not knowing what the largest group of conservationists do for projects and wildlife ...... As said ..... Really?

I'm just saying I have never see a paper presented at any conference that was sponsored by the BCWF. Every year I'm at the Canadian Society of Ecology and Evolution, Ecological Society of America, The Canadian Sections of the Wildlife Society and the parent Wildlife Society meetings and have not seen any research sponsored by the BCWF. Nor do I see any indication of sponsored research on their website.

Was just wondering because I do often see research sponsored by Ducks Unlimited, Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, Boone and Crockett etc.

Just wondering if there was a section I was missing or a list somewhere of research projects currently being supported and partnered with. Mea culpa, feel free to point me in the right direction.

[guest]

To start with, go to the main page if this very forum. Look under BCWF ....... Scroll down through the dozens and dozens of posts and pages, you will find in that alone what the BCWF has done or is doing for our Fish, Wildlife, Conservation, for Fishers, for Hunters and the future of all above. Check out their Web page ...... Become a member, put your money where your mouth is if you desire or want a future for wildlife, fish, hunting, fishing, habitat, conservation, tradition and heritage.
There you may find a few projects ....... It's not hard.
The BCWF has done more for BCs fish and wildlife then any other conservation group in this province. Including the selective Raincoast hipocrites and the governments that listen to their chatter.

[jassmine]

To start with, go to the main page if this very forum. Look under BCWF ....... Scroll down through the dozens and dozens of posts and pages, you will find in that alone what the BCWF has done or is doing for our Fish, Wildlife, Conservation, for Fishers, for Hunters and the future of all above.

I know of their grey literature, was just wondering where they had collaborated on peer reviewed work that's all.
Thanks

[Piperdown]

Typical Leaf's attitude.
Pipes, I understand where you are coming from with the friendship thing, been there, done that. That's your approach, I'm not gonna argue but when one is faced with BS, or more likely simple lack of knowledge on the subject, I think it's incumbent upon us to try to "turn", or at least enlighten the person. Then armed with the facts they can make their decision.
Guess it's all in how it's approached, if done in a calm, reasonable fashion you might, just might convert an anti to an ambivalent.
I've had long involved discussions with PETA members, antis, Leaf's fans and others and by staying calm and using a "scientific" approach have converted a few to hunters but many to a level of understanding where they can at least see our side of the discussion.
After attending, and speaking at the "Trophy Grizzly Hunt" deal a few of the folks came to me and thanked me for my input. That was like being a HABS fan at a Maple Leaf's game.

Dam habs fans, 2 rules in our house we do not talk politics or religion with friends and family, period. I did how ever send my friends the link with the facts on numbers, stated to them these are the true numbers and we will not talk about it again, done deal. I am not a grizzly hunter, have no interest in it but i"ll be dammed if i will let a bunch of salad munchers dictate what we as hunters can and cannot do. As you can see by my previous response i did spend a fair bit of time in the penalty box while i had the skates on and find it hard at times to be nice Oh and to all on this thread just put the cut and paste queen on ignore otherwise this thread will be locked very shortly!!

[ACE]

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Please contact him to voice your displeasure, disappointment, and disapproval with his reactionary and ill conceived G-bear legislation.

[180grainer]

Does BCWF fund any researchers, partner with any on the ground research or sponsor any studies?
Might be good to help direct research towards issues and projects that would benefit hunting.

That's not a bad point although the BCWF does a lot for conservation in other ways. I also wonder what the spin would be if they actually did sponsor research. Would it not be spun in the same vein as the Oil Companies sponsoring global warming research? Besides, the BCWF's members contribute significantly in many other ways. They also contribute to research through taxation and license purchases. My problem with local Gun Clubs and the BCWF is that they don't make information available to the general public in what hunters actually do contribute and how hunting is used to manage wildlife. The next time your local gun club goes to a park to clean up the garbage by the non-hunting public, or when they re-rehabilitate a local stream, maybe invite your local paper. I ask the question a while ago "does the BCWF have a Communications Officer". If they don't they should, and so should each Rod and Gun club in order to start an organized means in which to tell educate the public about what we actually do.

[jassmine]

That's not a bad point although the BCWF does a lot for conservation in other ways. I also wonder what the spin would be if they actually did sponsor research. Would it not be spun in the same vein as the Oil Companies sponsoring global warming research?

Well as far as I know the vast majority of 'research' sponsored by oil companies happens through organizations like the Heartland Institute, Heritage Foundation, American Enterprise Institute. To the best of my knowledge none of the 'research' from them are ever peer reviewed legitimate science but grey literature they self publish.
But many of the major "species" and regional hunting groups do actually fund graduate students and research projects, The Wildlife Society highlights much of this research.

[sammer]

I'm fairly new here, and haven't read thru the entire thread, but...

Why is it that we give participation trophy's to kids for showing up, but as an adult you spend days hunting for the biggest baddest predator in the woods you can't keep a trophy from it. (euro mount skull?)
I agree that you should keep and eat the meat from anything you kill. That said, I can't stand the taste of squirrel, so haven't shot one in 30+ years. But to each his own.
"Trophy hunt" is just a term that sounds good to the masses, but it's just semantics. Honestly I would rather eat a young tender moose/elk than a "trophy" any day.

sam

[Ltbullken]

Sent my letter to the premier, minister and Weaver. Please consider doing the same!

[Boner]

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I'm fairly new here, and haven't read thru the entire thread, but...

Why is it that we give participation trophy's to kids for showing up, but as an adult you spend days hunting for the biggest baddest predator in the woods you can't keep a trophy from it. (euro mount skull?)
I agree that you should keep and eat the meat from anything you kill. That said, I can't stand the taste of squirrel, so haven't shot one in 30+ years. But to each his own.
"Trophy hunt" is just a term that sounds good to the masses, but it's just semantics. Honestly I would rather eat a young tender moose/elk than a "trophy" any day.

sam

But to each his own. That's being taken away from us. That's the whole point of the thread. Hunters who say "to each their own" should keep their opinions to themselves if their opinions undermine what's currently allowable to hunt and what's required for the harvest.

So many people have this opinion that they won't shoot what they won't eat. That attitude doesn't accomodate predator hunting for canines, and for many people, bears. That's your choice, but to voice it keeps chipping away at our hunting privileges.

Right now as a collective group of hunters, we seem to be weak and divided with no strong voice. There's respected, well thought out reasons for people's decisions on what they choose to pursue hunting. Those differences need to be put aside until this current fiasco gets resolved. There has been some positive press coverage on our side, but not nearly enough.

We as hunters should put aside any differences from the past, stick together and have the same reasons why decisions to change current hunting opportunities should continue to be managed based on science, and not a political football for the NDP & Green Parties.