Breaking news ... Grizzly bear hunt demise

[Saskhunter]

Unfortunately this seems like a sign of the times, the days of real men(men that went to war, built this country with hard work and sweat) and real women ( women who raised a bunch of kids and still did chores on the farm to help their man build a life together) those days are done!! Don't get me wrong, there are a few left and doing it that way today but for the most part the times have changed to social media and losers who if walmart and safeway didn't have what they need, would perish almost instantly. 20 years ago you couldn't post BS pictures of what someone thought might not be right because they are not a hunter and don't understand, I fear that by the time my 3 year old is able to hunt that it might be too late and he might not get that chance.

[LBM]

The only illegal part of a livestock or property owner removing a problem is if they are stupid enough to remove a souvenir from the carcass of a bear or cougar. The COS would rather you call them but in most cases aren't willing to attend in a timely matter. A rotting carcass in your yard isn't something most want to keep around.

i should have added that only the offenders of the crime should be removed. A big boar grizzly that is not a livestock killer should be left alone as he is likely to keep all other bears out of his territory.

So is this the discussion on SSS and what COs do. Again if things are done legally there is no SSS.
I don't no what the COs are like in your area but here I think they spend to much time dealing with the ranchers/farmers etc.
I do see a bit of a trend though, you complain about the COs, there trapping or people they provide, complain about forestry people,
complain about fire fighters, I think it was also you that complained about the majority of William lake people that evacuated.
Not sure but this could be why some have a problem dealing with you.
You do make a good point on how killing the wrong animal can cause more of a problem, and this is not just for bears its true
for cougars and wolves as well.
Also just because some thing kills live stock does not mean that is all it will do now. Many times it can be just a one time thing.

[gcreek]

So is this the discussion on SSS and what COs do. Again if things are done legally there is no SSS.
I don't no what the COs are like in your area but here I think they spend to much time dealing with the ranchers/farmers etc.
I do see a bit of a trend though, you complain about the COs, there trapping or people they provide, complain about forestry people,
complain about fire fighters, I think it was also you that complained about the majority of William lake people that evacuated.
Not sure but this could be why some have a problem dealing with you.
You do make a good point on how killing the wrong animal can cause more of a problem, and this is not just for bears its true
for cougars and wolves as well.
Also just because some thing kills live stock does not mean that is all it will do now. Many times it can be just a one time thing.

Yup, kind of a one time thing for me too. At least I'm not afraid to speak my mind and call a spade a spade. The politically correct world seems to not know what to do with dinosaurs like me.
It is interesting when they find out how truthful I am.

[Pemby_mess]

Science is a waste of time to sway public opinion. In case you never noticed science was never used and guess what public opinion is??
We are victims of a chronic Nihilism where we look to and despise who we are, who we were, where we are going. We look to science but despise its answers for it cannot show us right or wrong. We look in the past which judges the present and we love the present social mores so we hate the past. We look to religion but we created it so we look in a mirror yet again. We love what we created and we hate it all the same... Primarily the current social norms are a luxury and as long as they remain that way they will continue and the battle for freedoms will be people's feelings. If and when times change and the luxuries get in the way of survival, history has shown what mankind is capable of. We have not yet shed canines.

[gcreek]

Where do grizzly hunters re-enter from this? How is the best way to revive the hunt?

A real conservative government would be nice, but I can't see it being much of a priority for anyone next election. Do we need a particularly passionate MLA to make wildlife reform his career, similar to MP Breitkreutz with guns? Can the BCWF put enough broad pressure to influence an election? Could we ally with ranchers or loggers?

My thoughts on this as far as LEH grizzly hunting is too keep applying and winning draws. Kill your bears, take the best cuts and a few photos. Do what you like with the meat when you arrive home. You will still be saving a lot of ungulates. When a non-socialist govt. is re-elected, things will return to reality.

[xandra]

My thoughts on this as far as LEH grizzly hunting is too keep applying and winning draws. Kill your bears, take the best cuts and a few photos. Do what you like with the meat when you arrive home. You will still be saving a lot of ungulates. When a non-socialist govt. is re-elected, things will return to reality.

I think this is important. If no one participates in the hunt anymore that will be used as a justification for a total ban.

In the mean time, there will be lots of people disgruntled about what I guess will be a mandatory surrender of the pelts to a CO and subsequent incineration. As posted here, hunters (inc. orgs like GOABC and BCWF), FN groups, etc consider it a waste. Andrew Weaver has opined against pelt waste. I have prominent bear biologists on my Twitter feed who disapprove of the pelt waste and one (a grizz biologist currently in the field in BC) even predicted that the pelt waste policy won't last.

I don't think the NDP did much consultation about this policy and I believe they said they will be working on it over the coming months. I wouldn't be surprised if they do a turnabout when it comes time to make it law, but if not I think the pelt waste policy will be reversed by a future government (IF the hunt is still popular and there is pressure to remove the pelt waste requirement). A meat salvage requirement is consistent with how we treat many game species, including the closest reference species, the black bear, and I think it will stay (and should stay if for none other than public relations issues). The pelt waste requirement is just too silly and inconsistent.

To me the more worrying proposal is the total closure of the hunt in the Great Bear Rainforest - which unless I'm mistaken is the entire coastal grizzly population. There is no logic to ending grizzly hunting there that couldn't be applied to other species or activities along the coast.

FN don't like it? Ecotourism operators don't like it? The Great Bear Rainforest is pristine and should be kept unexploited? Could be used to ban everything from black bear hunting to fishing or fishing without a charter. Now closing fishing would be too politically unpopular (poor fishies aren't charismatic enough) but we know black bear hunting is next on Raincoast's chopping block and a sustainable black bear hunt isn't really much different than a sustainable grizzly bear hunt.

And once people get used to a ban along the coast (for whatever reasons), it's a lot easier to argue for a province wide ban.

[gcreek]

I think this is important. If no one participates in the hunt anymore that will be used as a justification for a total ban.

In the mean time, there will be lots of people disgruntled about what I guess will be a mandatory surrender of the pelts to a CO and subsequent incineration. As posted here, hunters (inc. orgs like GOABC and BCWF), FN groups, etc consider it a waste. Andrew Weaver has opined against pelt waste. I have prominent bear biologists on my Twitter feed who disapprove of the pelt waste and one (a grizz biologist currently in the field in BC) even predicted that the pelt waste policy won't last.

I don't think the NDP did much consultation about this policy and I believe they said they will be working on it over the coming months. I wouldn't be surprised if they do a turnabout when it comes time to make it law, but if not I think the pelt waste policy will be reversed by a future government (IF the hunt is still popular and there is pressure to remove the pelt waste requirement). A meat salvage requirement is consistent with how we treat many game species, including the closest reference species, the black bear, and I think it will stay (and should stay if for none other than public relations issues). The pelt waste requirement is just too silly and inconsistent.

To me the more worrying proposal is the total closure of the hunt in the Great Bear Rainforest - which unless I'm mistaken is the entire coastal grizzly population. There is no logic to ending grizzly hunting there that couldn't be applied to other species or activities along the coast.

FN don't like it? Ecotourism operators don't like it? The Great Bear Rainforest is pristine and should be kept unexploited? Could be used to ban everything from black bear hunting to fishing or fishing without a charter. Now closing fishing would be too politically unpopular (poor fishies aren't charismatic enough) but we know black bear hunting is next on Raincoast's chopping block and a sustainable black bear hunt isn't really much different than a sustainable grizzly bear hunt.

And once people get used to a ban along the coast (for whatever reasons), it's a lot easier to argue for a province wide ban.

Thanks for for the addition. The only reply I would make to your post is that if the COS wants the hide and head then they can do the retrieval themselves. Why would anyone be expected to pack out and deliver to govt. what is rightly their own property?

[325]

I wonder how many those who have contributed to this thread have written to their local MLA and voiced their concerns. The passion that most of these comments have behind them might go along way if it was directed in the right direction.

My MLA is Michelle mungall. She stated before the election that her number one priority if the NDP formed government would be to ban the grizzly hunt (not create jobs, improve medical delivery, or improve education...). A meeting with her would be fruitless. Instead, I will work hard in 4 years to see that she loses her seat. The Liberal candidate in our riding was actually a fairly close second.

[scoutlt1]

http://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/grizz...tudy-1.3555498


There was a provincial program "designed to reduce conflict by supplying bears with roadkill"???? wtf??

That sounds like a great idea....

[bearvalley]

My thoughts on this as far as LEH grizzly hunting is too keep applying and winning draws. Kill your bears, take the best cuts and a few photos. Do what you like with the meat when you arrive home. You will still be saving a lot of ungulates. When a non-socialist govt. is re-elected, things will return to reality.

Good post.