Breaking news ... Grizzly bear hunt demise

[180grainer]

Let be clear here, their aim is to eventually stop all hunting and yes God or whoever can help us please, not only for hunting but to save our province from these clowns

If these clowns had any brains at all they'd stand behind the science. It was only a few short years ago the Rain Coast Eco-Fascists and their "research" claimed there were less than 1500 bears. Now we have the NDP stating, (admitting) there's 15,000. If NDP had any brains whatsoever, they'd stand behind the science, (it's clearly working by the admitted numbers of bears) allow the hunt to continue, and placate the ill-informed by designating more money to bear research and habitat enhancement.

[HarryToolips]

Generally speaking I am an NDP supporter, but this is idiotic policy...

Part of being a hunter is being sustainable. While many don't often keep the hide of a deer/moose/whatever, we have the ABILITY to and many of us do... just like many of us eat the tongue, heart, liver while some prefer not to.

This policy promotes wastage. Part of the reason to kill a fur bearing animal is... wait for it... the fur. The majority of the black bear hunters I know both eat the meat and keep the hide.

What exactly is this policy you are so proud of supposed to accomplish?
Is there conflict between bear tourism and bear hunting? No. The two don't mix (and if you were worried about this you could just ban grizzly hunting in provincial parks)
Is the grizzly population struggling? No.

This policy was enacted because "bears are cute". When the population explodes, when more outdoorspeople are injured and killed by grizzlies, when they start roaming where they shouldn't, when other game numbers decline because of predation... yeah, this was a smart policy.

Ugh.

Well said David.....

[Fisher-Dude]

Disturbing and hypocritical: Shypitka on NDP grizzly trophy ban


Tue Aug 15th, 2017 2:00pmNEWS



Paul Rodgers

“Actually it’s kind of disturbing to me,” MLA Tom Shypitka told the Townsman. “I think we saw it coming but it’s a disturbing fact that the NDP are continuing to promote the division between rural and urban voters. It’s actually quite hypocritical and it’s a weak attempt in my opinion to appease environmentalists and their party platform as well as quite honestly the Green Party.”

Shypitka weighed in on the NDP’s recent move to ban the trophy hunting of grizzly bears in BC after this year’s hunt, comparing it to watching a train-wreck in slow motion.

“You know it’s coming but you don’t really know the damage that’s going to happen once the collision hits,” he said.

“We’re talking about a couple hundred grizzlies a year,” Shypitka said. That’s not threatening the bear populations, what’s threatening the bear populations is habitat. and that’s a discussion we need to be addressing more than trying to appease and trying to get votes.”

Shypitka explained that he feels as though this has been made into a political issue when it shouldn’t be, and that the issue should be based solely on conservationism.

“What we need first and foremost is funding, so we need science-based data which comes from money,” he said, referring to what he feels ought to be done in order to approach the subject of wildlife conversation in BC, including grizzly populations. Shypitka said that he’s currently working on getting designated funding to get data in order to know what truly threatens grizzly populations, without “pointing fingers.”

“We need local representation,” he said. “We need people on the ground in our areas to actually give input so I want input from First Nations, trappers, guide-outfitters, resident hunters — the whole gamut, ranchers, let’s not forget about the ranchers. They’ve got a lot at stake in this as well, they’re losing their cattle to these predators.”

Read more: Outside experts endorse BC grizzly hunt

Shypitka referred to a recent study iconducted in Alaska that monitored bears over a 45 day period with collar-mounted cameras that discovered that the average bear was killing 34.4 moose or caribou calfs in that period.

“When those moose and elk are calving, [bears] are there, they can smell the blood and they’re on them in a second and these populations don’t have a chance to recover,” he said. “So what we say is use the tool, use the tool of the hunt to develop our populations that we’re lacking in our ungulates and to leave the partisanship aside.”

Shypitka said that the NDP’s decision to ban trophy hunting but allow meat hunting is hypocritical.

“They didn’t want to leave the meat behind because we’re not utilizing the carcass,” he said explaining that when you take just the meat of the animal, you’re leaving about 70 per cent of it behind.

“For hunters that like to utilize the meat … and I mean Indigenous people and Aboriginal people have been utilizing the carcass for thousands of years, and yet when it comes to resident hunters or non-aboriginal people, somehow that’s a double standard and we’re not allowed to do the same thing so it really is hypocritical that they would take this view.”

Shypitka said, referring to his previous statement that the decision was primarily based on appeasing urban voters, that the ruling is uninformed and made by people who don’t experience bear populations.

“Taking out a few mature males by hunting groups is a great tool that we have in place right now,” he said. “To take out a few grizzlies to support local businesses as a management tool to me is the best option we have and essentially with this ban now it’s taking those options away and therefore our ungulate population and our safety is being threatened because of it.”

http://www.cranbrooktownsman.com/new...ly-trophy-ban/

[HarryToolips]

Lets stretch this out a bit. How long until an enterprising person shoots a big bear, takes a bunch of pictures with it and walks away. It's easier to take a fail to retrieve edible portions ticket than pack out a big stinky salmon bear carcass. Add to it that you can't keep the hide or skull so the only value to you is the pictures. Pretty tough for the CO to seize all your pictures especially once they have been emailed out.

Also tough with with the new tag system for them to ever see that you have killed a bear. Tag it and keep the tag separate from all the rest. CO may be able to see that you purchased a tag, but won't know where it is or if you cut it. Historically all the tags where together so a CO could see a record of any animal killed through the year. Now not at all.

Historically people would be worried about about losing their trophy. Now there is next to nothing to lose. They aren't going to confiscate hardly anything on a grizzly bear meat charge

lastly, the way this is one wonders what will be required to be submitted for compulsory inspection.

Never been a poacher ached in my life, but guaranteed someone will go this route.

Ya I'm a little skeptical of the new tag system myself...

[Lozzie]

Well said.

Hmm then you do not know some of the benifit s that come from hunting grizzlies..
Taking out old male bears saves countless young cubs that get killed so the female will come back into heat for passing his genes on..
Grizzlies have come to recognize negative impact of interacting with humans when hunting is in place..now grizzlies will come to realize no impact from humans with just 3 cameras strung around their necks..other than humans are delicious. .
In a eco system with grizzlies being top apex predator..they can live to 30 years..grizzlies do not do well in close contact with other bears., canabalism"..chasing younger bears out of older bears range into..? Certainly more conflict with humans..ranchers..rural populations..not anywhere NDP represent..
Populations should be based on a balance..not for economic benifit of couple coastal native groups.
There have been reported that there are in excess of 150 SURPLUS grizzlies over optimal carrying capacities in the lower Bella Coola valley..that dangerous situation will rapidly develop in all rural areas of bc that historically had grizzly populations..outside of downtown vancouver.
The first individual mauled or killed the familly should go after horgan. .basket weaver. .this decision is not science it is purely political.
Now the next election guides will have incentive to kick the no rain ers out.
Only positive is grizzly numbers will grow, animals will get older, bigger for when reason returns.
In the meantime moose, elk calves will die in greater numbers .
Spent 30 years amongst these magnification animals..this political grandiose decision is not in the bear's, nor humans interest.
Steven

[Gateholio]

Lets stretch this out a bit. How long until an enterprising person shoots a big bear, takes a bunch of pictures with it and walks away. It's easier to take a fail to retrieve edible portions ticket than pack out a big stinky salmon bear carcass. Add to it that you can't keep the hide or skull so the only value to you is the pictures. Pretty tough for the CO to seize all your pictures especially once they have been emailed out.

Also tough with with the new tag system for them to ever see that you have killed a bear. Tag it and keep the tag separate from all the rest. CO may be able to see that you purchased a tag, but won't know where it is or if you cut it. Historically all the tags where together so a CO could see a record of any animal killed through the year. Now not at all.

Historically people would be worried about about losing their trophy. Now there is next to nothing to lose. They aren't going to confiscate hardly anything on a grizzly bear meat charge

lastly, the way this is one wonders what will be required to be submitted for compulsory inspection.

Never been a poacher ached in my life, but guaranteed someone will go this route.

This is another HUGE hole in the new policy- enforcement.

There aren't enough CO's in BC to spot check every grizz hunter for a salted hide on their way back from hunting. They certainly aren't going to be going to kill sites to inspect for hides left.

Resident hunters will find a way to get their grizz hide on their bedroom floor.

Every day there are drugs, guns and other contraband flowing over borders. Will a grizzly pelt be that hard to move across a border?

Foreign hunters going with a native outfitter might have the hide retained for "ceremonial" purposes and then find it's way to Germany or New York.

People are resourceful, and where there is a buck to be made, the vacuum will be filled.

Finally, and perhaps most importantly, will CO's place a high priority on this, knowing that the new regulation is purely political posturing, and has no basis in conservation? Frankly, they have real poachers to deal with.

Law enforcement personnel most often seem to focus on important things. Every day police drive right past cyclists with no helmets. When the Long Gun registry was in effect, there were almost ZERO arrests made for unregistered long guns unless it was tied up in drug dealing.

["No Choke"Lord Walsingham]

Disturbing and hypocritical: Shypitka on NDP grizzly trophy ban


Tue Aug 15th, 2017 2:00pmNEWS



Paul Rodgers

“Actually it’s kind of disturbing to me,” MLA Tom Shypitka told the Townsman. “I think we saw it coming but it’s a disturbing fact that the NDP are continuing to promote the division between rural and urban voters. It’s actually quite hypocritical and it’s a weak attempt in my opinion to appease environmentalists and their party platform as well as quite honestly the Green Party.”

Shypitka weighed in on the NDP’s recent move to ban the trophy hunting of grizzly bears in BC after this year’s hunt, comparing it to watching a train-wreck in slow motion.

“You know it’s coming but you don’t really know the damage that’s going to happen once the collision hits,” he said.

“We’re talking about a couple hundred grizzlies a year,” Shypitka said. That’s not threatening the bear populations, what’s threatening the bear populations is habitat. and that’s a discussion we need to be addressing more than trying to appease and trying to get votes.”

Shypitka explained that he feels as though this has been made into a political issue when it shouldn’t be, and that the issue should be based solely on conservationism.

“What we need first and foremost is funding, so we need science-based data which comes from money,” he said, referring to what he feels ought to be done in order to approach the subject of wildlife conversation in BC, including grizzly populations. Shypitka said that he’s currently working on getting designated funding to get data in order to know what truly threatens grizzly populations, without “pointing fingers.”

“We need local representation,” he said. “We need people on the ground in our areas to actually give input so I want input from First Nations, trappers, guide-outfitters, resident hunters — the whole gamut, ranchers, let’s not forget about the ranchers. They’ve got a lot at stake in this as well, they’re losing their cattle to these predators.”

Read more: Outside experts endorse BC grizzly hunt

Shypitka referred to a recent study iconducted in Alaska that monitored bears over a 45 day period with collar-mounted cameras that discovered that the average bear was killing 34.4 moose or caribou calfs in that period.

“When those moose and elk are calving, [bears] are there, they can smell the blood and they’re on them in a second and these populations don’t have a chance to recover,” he said. “So what we say is use the tool, use the tool of the hunt to develop our populations that we’re lacking in our ungulates and to leave the partisanship aside.”

Shypitka said that the NDP’s decision to ban trophy hunting but allow meat hunting is hypocritical.

“They didn’t want to leave the meat behind because we’re not utilizing the carcass,” he said explaining that when you take just the meat of the animal, you’re leaving about 70 per cent of it behind.

“For hunters that like to utilize the meat … and I mean Indigenous people and Aboriginal people have been utilizing the carcass for thousands of years, and yet when it comes to resident hunters or non-aboriginal people, somehow that’s a double standard and we’re not allowed to do the same thing so it really is hypocritical that they would take this view.”

Shypitka said, referring to his previous statement that the decision was primarily based on appeasing urban voters, that the ruling is uninformed and made by people who don’t experience bear populations.

“Taking out a few mature males by hunting groups is a great tool that we have in place right now,” he said. “To take out a few grizzlies to support local businesses as a management tool to me is the best option we have and essentially with this ban now it’s taking those options away and therefore our ungulate population and our safety is being threatened because of it.”

http://www.cranbrooktownsman.com/new...ly-trophy-ban/

What a shit show this thread, damn! Please keep in mind who this is coming from too... If I call "shit show" you know it was phuqd!!! lol

I say we wait and see what happens. So far just hyperbole from liars and fake news reports most likely. With any luck this so called gov't shall collapse any day now.

P.S. Shypitka on point! I voted for him.

That said, it's a well known fact around here that I believe that BC and the nation as a whole has no one to vote for whom coincides with my views. They're all either centrist, left or alt-left. I'm a true Freedom lovin' man, myself. I am pro Freedom. Pro Liberty! I am Pro Firearms and I sure as a cow shall shit AM a Pro huntin' modasucka who lives with true balls and spirit!

The upside of all this is that current generations are learning how horrid these socialist scumbags are. Glenn's deck has nothing on these (expletives deleted, taking it easy on our overworked and definitely underpaid Moderators/Admin) !!!

Oi Vey

Bring back the Grizzly bear Hunt!

[Ohwildwon]

So for argument sake, if one had deep pockets, could the government be takin to court over this?

On what grounds?

[Salty]

Finally, and perhaps most importantly, will CO's place a high priority on this, knowing that the new regulation is purely political posturing, and has no basis in conservation? Frankly, they have real poachers to deal with.

If you've been in the service for most of a career you've seen the NDP cancel the hunt, the Liberals reinstate it and the population remain vibrant and now the NDP cancel it again for no scientific reason. Pretty hard to be very engaged in a political game with no merit.

[Wolfdown]

Decorations are a viable and completely acceptable use. Just as displaying the antlers from an elk or the horns from a sheep. Or making leather, tallow, or glue from domestic animals.

Wolfdown, are your hunting boots made solely of synthetics? Do you have leather seats in your truck or on your couch?

I find the rhetoric hypocritical.

Why is it OK to utilize all of the animal when it is a cow or deer but not for a grizzly?

because those are secondary uses.. you know like hunting them for meat!! Not the single and sole reason like people hunt grizzly.