Non-resident allocation too high

[Wild one]

Surprising they don't understand that a GOS actually favours local hunters. A LEH favours nobody but simple math will tell you that the area that has the most hunters applying for the LEH will get the most draws. So 1000 lower mainlanders and 100 locals apply for 10 tags, 9 tags will go to the lower mainlanders and 1 to locals.

You are correct and have made this point many times

This adds to my frustrations with how resident hunters are choosing to deal with the issues in southern 6.

[VFX_man]

If you don't mind -- am asking for a clarification on the definition of a "resident/non-resident" hunter.

I'm a BC resident that lives and works in Vancouver, but own a place in Kamloops (for retirement). I hunt in zones 2/3/8. But most hunting is in 3 and 8 where my friends live or own property and I spend time.

cheers, VFX

[Wild one]

If you don't mind -- am asking for a clarification on the definition of a "resident" hunter.

I'm a BC resident that lives and works in Vancouver, but own a place in Kamloops (for retirement). I hunt in zones 2/3/8. But most hunting is in 3 and 8 where my friends live or own property and I spend time.

cheers, VFX

Resident hunter is any hunter who is a resident of BC

[Dannybuoy]

Dont support 25% either

putting forth effort to fight over scraps when there is way bigger issues is my problem. Like I said I hear all the complaining about numbers being way down but people would rather complian about who hunts or how the bull harvest is managed.

I personally have chose not to even hunt these moose but that is a personal call I don't expect others to follow.

As long as the hunting community keeps complaining about % and ignoring bigger issues nothing improves wildlife looses. In the end what does % of harvest when populations are lower than they should be

but what do I know

And BC resident hunters wonder why things are a mess

If things are the same in 6 as they are in 3,4, and 8 where I have hunted then I agree ...
#1 control/regulate the natives
#2 every thing else

But what do I know ....

[Whonnock Boy]

Awesome.......

Slow down there Lange, you better see what FD has to say, after all he was front and center in the allocation dispute and got some concessions after all! According to him," it's time to move forward"! K

Agreed. Non-residents needs their reigns pulled in, however, I do agree with wild one. There are fewer moose up there, at least this is just the water cooler talk from a few locals, my father in laws observations over the 40 years of him hunting up there, and my own observations over the last 10 years.

In the Skeena FLNRO staff is gearing up to further restrict resident moose hunters, claiming that they are at or slightly exceeding their allocated harvest in some areas of Skeena. The data the Ministry is using to determine this harvest is crude and questionable at best, being open to manipulation and bias.
Due to these proposed restrictions FLNRO also plans to add a host of hindering barriers again exclusively on resident hunters in Skeena North.Their argument is that by reducing opportunity in the south they feel there will be increased pressure in the north.
At the heart of the issue is that non-residents have been allocated 25% of the moose allocation in the Skeena, and way too high for this meat and potato species that are of high utilization and demand by residents.
Ministry staff have been advised that this is not a conservation concern, nor a harvest issue on the resident side, but 100% an allocation issue whereby the non-resident share has been set way too high, and in need of correction first and foremost.
This allocation issue (adjustment) was brought up through stakeholder consultation, but Ministry staff refused to allow that discussion to occur. The only conversation they want to have is the addition of restrictions on resident moose hunters in the Skeena.
Long and short as residents we should absolutely not accept any increased restriction hindering our harvest opportunities, tradition,culture, and access to hunt for food, all while non-residents and the GO’s that cater to them remain unaffected. Before any increased restrictions are considered on residents, the non-resident allocation must go to 10%. If after that there’s still a resident harvest concern, then and only then should further restriction(s)be considered on residents through proper consultation.

I believe you have some very valid points. Nice rant.

This is strictly my opinion and observation as a resident of southern region 6.

Personally I do not see the issue being resident or non resident regulated harvest. At least in my corner of the region myself and many others have noticed a huge change in moose numbers.

Regulated harvest is restricted to bulls only yet where have all the cows gone?

This is well beyond an allocation issue in my opinion. Why waste effort on complaining about who has the larger % of bull harvest when that is having little impact on the big picture?

I know local resident hunters have actually complained about the GOS wanting it shutdown. The common compliant I here is all the out of towners coming to kill moose. The evil lower mainlanders who just take lol. But yet I hear over and over success rates and sightings are way down by everyone not just locals. Yet many locals scream they want it LEH only to keep the out of towners from killing all the moose. I think many forget there is no priority for locals in BCs LEH system lol

All this pissing match between locals, out of towners, and GO's pointing fingers who is taking more bulls is a waste of time.

You want opertunity don't look at the regulated harvest its low impact. Look at what is impacting overall population. Its a lack of overall moose numbers not just Bulls.

Maybe rather than putting in efforts fighting those involved in the regulated harvest of bulls focuse on the issues effecting overall moose numbers. Predation, unregulated harvest, and habitat issues is what is truly a problem.

changing the % of the allocation or going straight LEH vs GOS solves nothing. These battles are an epic waste of time.

Again I ask where are the cow moose ? It's not regulated harvest impacting them

This is my opinion and observations from my corner of 6

I listen to the locals all complain and heard all the finger pointing. Getting to the point I want to just yell at people WAKE THE HELL UP.

There is my rant from this pissed off region 6 hunter

[Red_Mist]

If things are the same in 6 as they are in 3,4, and 8 where I have hunted then I agree ...
#1 control/regulate the natives
#2 every thing else

But what do I know ....

If region 6 is anything like region 5, we will not have any progress with game populations until #1 is addressed.

[HarryToolips]

If things are the same in 6 as they are in 3,4, and 8 where I have hunted then I agree ...
#1 control/regulate the natives
#2 every thing else

But what do I know ....

Here's the guy who has the nads to say it....it's their unregulated harvest of females that is the biggest problem, and we should be writing Horgan to address this main issue...but yes we should also say that 25% non resident allocation is bull crap..

[btridge]

Here's the guy who has the nads to say it....it's their unregulated harvest of females that is the biggest problem, and we should be writing Horgan to address this main issue...but yes we should also say that 25% non resident allocation is bull crap..

We need to be letting our MLA as well as Horgan know that the allocation issue is far from over as far as resident hunters are concerned. The unregulated harvest as well as the allocation issue are just two separate spokes to the problem, as well as habitat, predators, and access to name a few. All of these issues need to be addressed and having a point of view on one issue does not preclude us from having a point of view on the other issues as some seem to imply around the allocation BS the liberals forced on us.

[Fisher-Dude]

In the Skeena FLNRO staff is gearing up to further restrict resident moose hunters, claiming that they are at or slightly exceeding their allocated harvest in some areas of Skeena. The data the Ministry is using to determine this harvest is crude and questionable at best, being open to manipulation and bias.
Due to these proposed restrictions FLNRO also plans to add a host of hindering barriers again exclusively on resident hunters in Skeena North.Their argument is that by reducing opportunity in the south they feel there will be increased pressure in the north.
At the heart of the issue is that non-residents have been allocated 25% of the moose allocation in the Skeena, and way too high for this meat and potato species that are of high utilization and demand by residents.
Ministry staff have been advised that this is not a conservation concern, nor a harvest issue on the resident side, but 100% an allocation issue whereby the non-resident share has been set way too high, and in need of correction first and foremost.
This allocation issue (adjustment) was brought up through stakeholder consultation, but Ministry staff refused to allow that discussion to occur. The only conversation they want to have is the addition of restrictions on resident moose hunters in the Skeena.
Long and short as residents we should absolutely not accept any increased restriction hindering our harvest opportunities, tradition,culture, and access to hunt for food, all while non-residents and the GO’s that cater to them remain unaffected. Before any increased restrictions are considered on residents, the non-resident allocation must go to 10%. If after that there’s still a resident harvest concern, then and only then should further restriction(s)be considered on residents through proper consultation.

Sounds like staff under the NDP's direction are going to cut resident allocation even worse than under Christy!

Stinking NDP. I just knew this was going to happen.

[Whonnock Boy]

It's funny what sounds people hear, because what I heard was, people were making deals on behalf of resident hunters that would make our heads spin. Now, is either comment said by both of us true? Who knows, cuz we're just flapping gums here.

Sounds like staff under the NDP's direction are going to cut resident allocation even worse than under Christy!

Stinking NDP. I just knew this was going to happen.