First nations traditional territory

[klondikemike]

So piper down who did invent the wheel. My guess is it was the neandrethal . I guess you never saw a totem pole or maybe thought they just appeared. They used oral tradition and paintings as a means to communicate with the next generations. Its all in the way someone looks at it.Im pretty sure their lifestyle revolved around mother nature and what she provided for them. I would think they never thought of changing the environment but live alongside it. And in so doing kept it much as it was. What do you think was wrong with that?

[Piperdown]

So piper down who did invent the wheel. My guess is it was the neandrethal . I guess you never saw a totem pole or maybe thought they just appeared. They used oral tradition and paintings as a means to communicate with the next generations. Its all in the way someone looks at it.Im pretty sure their lifestyle revolved around mother nature and what she provided for them. I would think they never thought of changing the environment but live alongside it. And in so doing kept it much as it was. What do you think was wrong with that?

So adapting and using say woven cedar sails to make your life more efficient, evolving is wrong, and destroying the earth in the process by doing so, me thinks not. A totem pole, i am having trouble following your logic, enlighten me. What is wrong with progressing, hell they are doing quite well with fishing nets, motorized fishing vessels etc, all the things that are not to environmentally friendly, seems they are as white as you and I now with the technologies that they have come to use and love. Maybe explain about the slavery, the killing of weaker tribes, do the stronger tribes now give back to those that they raped and pillaged, well the tribes that they didn't wipe out i should say. No different then other wars so why do they get everything given back, they way i see it is they are a conquered nation, some win some loose. Oh and by the way if you read my original post I DID NOT WRITE IT, just posted for all to read!!! Kind of reminds me of Jimmy the Greek, sports announcer for the NFL, was stating a fact about blacks and the breeding in the slavery days, to make a bigger and stronger slave, he got fired. The next week an article in a scientific paper comes out stating the same thing and everyone agrees with it, kind of a double standard.

[wideopenthrottle]

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[klondikemike]

No i never said or thought that you wrote it. I saw that same article about 4 years ago. That person that posted it said basically the same thing as you said when i called him on it. He never answered the questions I asked either. I don't think using other peoples ideas makes you any less your own culture and for sure does not make them any more white. Im wondering if thats why you feel its ok to try talk down to them? Im sure the majority feel your not worth the effort.

[IslandWanderer]

Some say that agriculture was humankind's greatest mistake. It's the original 'progress'.

http://www.ditext.com/diamond/mistake.html

[Pemby_mess]

^^ I think Jared Diamond is one of the most significant thinkers of our time when it comes to cultural origin. Prior to agriculture becoming important, Europeans had no problems with the indigenous in Canada as a race. Both cultures took their share of the burdens and benefits of cooperating for survival and advancement in north anerica. It was agriculture that ultimately wrought most of the adversarial cultural tensions.

[Surrey Boy]

Food for thought! An interesting perspective.

This was printed in a Nanaimo, B.C. newspaper last week, and as you can imagine, it had all the natives out banging their drums and whooping, but you know what.. if the shoe fits!!! .

THE SO-CALLED "FIRST NATIONS" ....

-Never "discovered" the wheel
-Never had a written language
-Never discovered astronomy
-Had no science or scientific discoveries
-Had no mathematics
-Made no medical discoveries
-Never had written music
-Only "figured out" a drum and a rattle for musical instruments
-Had no metallurgy
-Had no sails for boats (only had canoes and dugout trees for their
thousands of years)
-Created virtually no mechanical devices
-Possessed almost nothing that required labour over a period of time, ie:
building with or carving out of stone
-Made almost no inventions
-Are just in the last 200 years getting caught up to most of the rest of the world
-Have a history that is notable only for underachievement

Think where an equal number of Chinese would be today; given only 10 years of the advantages Canadian Indians have---no taxes on any money you earn, while living on a reserve-free dental-free university, etc. BTW the hunger striking chief and her husband, were paid $270,000.00 by the band last year. Comments from a reader in the Globe and Mail. It's a short history lesson on natives...

This land does NOT belong to them!

Why do some people keep saying that it does? Is it because that's what they
want you to believe?

Well then the marketing campaign must be working.

Let's get this straight.

1. These people's ancestors did not just appear in North America, magically out of thin air one day 50,000 year ago. They came in waves across the land/ice bridge from Asia. What's more, these waves, in many cases, were not related groups of people. They came from various places around North Eastern Asia and were from different genetic strains..in other words the "natives of North America" are not a homogenous group of people and more importantly...They are immigrants too. like millions of immigrants today.

2. The idea that the "natives" were peaceful caretakers of the land or benevolent tenants couldn't be further from the truth. The various tribes warred on each other constantly. They were violent. Want proof? Ask the Hurons or the Neutrals...oh that's right you can't. The Iroquios wiped them out.

How about slavery that was rife amoung the first nation tribes until the Europeans came over and freed the slaves and put an end to this "valued cultural tradition". Is slavery peaceful and humane?.

3. The idea that we "stole" this land from them is also ridiculous. A more
technologically advanced and numerous cultures invaded and conquered. This is
exactly what has been happening since the dawn of humanity all around the globe. To say we "stole" their lands is just plain wrong. That is akin to saying the Saxons should return England to the Anglos. Or maybe we should launch a campaign to have the Roman descendants give Italy back to the Etruscans. It is a nonsensical notion driven by the politically correct bleeding hearts, some intellectually deficient politicians, the Government, and it will continue to cost this country needless and wasted billions and
billions until we get some backbone and turn off the taps.

Are these people in trouble? Yes. Do they need help? Yes.

Are they responsible enough to look after themselves and efficiently spend
the billions the tax payers give them? Certainly not.

The only way to fix this situation is to bring them into society as equals.

They should be getting jobs and paying taxes like the rest of us because in reality, they are no more special than any of the other hundred or more cultures that call Canada home.

Turn off the taps. Do away with this "traditional use" and "cultural" nonsense. Educate their children to become modern citizens ,instead of finding their identity and source of pride in some folks who occupied the land 12000 years ago. Let them stand or fall on their own account. Just like the rest of us have to do!

Look at all that Cultural Appropriation!

[bloody bellies]

fresh sockeye for sale at the roadside stand just before Agassiz bridge, yup natives selling fish while we stand back and watch the river flow.

[HarryToolips]

^^^^^arent they only supposed to use it for their own consumption??? If so, phone RAPP please..I have in the past over the same thing..

[HarryToolips]

Food for thought! An interesting perspective.

This was printed in a Nanaimo, B.C. newspaper last week, and as you can imagine, it had all the natives out banging their drums and whooping, but you know what.. if the shoe fits!!! .

THE SO-CALLED "FIRST NATIONS" ....

-Never "discovered" the wheel
-Never had a written language
-Never discovered astronomy
-Had no science or scientific discoveries
-Had no mathematics
-Made no medical discoveries
-Never had written music
-Only "figured out" a drum and a rattle for musical instruments
-Had no metallurgy
-Had no sails for boats (only had canoes and dugout trees for their
thousands of years)
-Created virtually no mechanical devices
-Possessed almost nothing that required labour over a period of time, ie:
building with or carving out of stone
-Made almost no inventions
-Are just in the last 200 years getting caught up to most of the rest of the world
-Have a history that is notable only for underachievement

Think where an equal number of Chinese would be today; given only 10 years of the advantages Canadian Indians have---no taxes on any money you earn, while living on a reserve-free dental-free university, etc. BTW the hunger striking chief and her husband, were paid $270,000.00 by the band last year. Comments from a reader in the Globe and Mail. It's a short history lesson on natives...

This land does NOT belong to them!

Why do some people keep saying that it does? Is it because that's what they
want you to believe?

Well then the marketing campaign must be working.

Let's get this straight.

1. These people's ancestors did not just appear in North America, magically out of thin air one day 50,000 year ago. They came in waves across the land/ice bridge from Asia. What's more, these waves, in many cases, were not related groups of people. They came from various places around North Eastern Asia and were from different genetic strains..in other words the "natives of North America" are not a homogenous group of people and more importantly...They are immigrants too. like millions of immigrants today.

2. The idea that the "natives" were peaceful caretakers of the land or benevolent tenants couldn't be further from the truth. The various tribes warred on each other constantly. They were violent. Want proof? Ask the Hurons or the Neutrals...oh that's right you can't. The Iroquios wiped them out.

How about slavery that was rife amoung the first nation tribes until the Europeans came over and freed the slaves and put an end to this "valued cultural tradition". Is slavery peaceful and humane?.

3. The idea that we "stole" this land from them is also ridiculous. A more
technologically advanced and numerous cultures invaded and conquered. This is
exactly what has been happening since the dawn of humanity all around the globe. To say we "stole" their lands is just plain wrong. That is akin to saying the Saxons should return England to the Anglos. Or maybe we should launch a campaign to have the Roman descendants give Italy back to the Etruscans. It is a nonsensical notion driven by the politically correct bleeding hearts, some intellectually deficient politicians, the Government, and it will continue to cost this country needless and wasted billions and
billions until we get some backbone and turn off the taps.

Are these people in trouble? Yes. Do they need help? Yes.

Are they responsible enough to look after themselves and efficiently spend
the billions the tax payers give them? Certainly not.

The only way to fix this situation is to bring them into society as equals.

They should be getting jobs and paying taxes like the rest of us because in reality, they are no more special than any of the other hundred or more cultures that call Canada home.

Turn off the taps. Do away with this "traditional use" and "cultural" nonsense. Educate their children to become modern citizens ,instead of finding their identity and source of pride in some folks who occupied the land 12000 years ago. Let them stand or fall on their own account. Just like the rest of us have to do!

I agree with the turn off the taps perspective, as we should all be equals in this country....I disagree with the insinuations that they weren't necessarily creative, as previously said, they didn't need many of those things, and were very knowledgeable in their natural world, and with edible and medicinal plants..