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    Re: Reason for low ungulate populations

    Quote Originally Posted by Ourea View Post
    Agree 100%.

    Some thoughts....
    A few of my better big WT buck areas have low to moderate WT numbers yet they seem to have a lot of preds.
    It may not be the number of deer that are in the area but their huntability that is drawing in cats and bears.....and now wolves have recently moved in (and the endless stream of coyotes)

    Perhaps it is the changing landscape......my WT areas are being logged extensively.
    Is this making these locations more efficient hunting grounds for tooth and claw competitors thus the increased traffic?
    Some of the things that run thru my head, when I see areas I know well, that have considerable ebbs and flows in numbers and balance......what are the drivers?

    My numerous cams give me a good account of what animals are in any given area I hunt.

    What I don't know and only can speculate on is why the swings...what's the cause, the drivers.
    We mostly speculate.
    There is no question in my mind that logging, particularly roads has increased predator movement. Just look at that Banff wolf that travelled 500kms in two weeks.

    Here in the WK we have seen heavy predator numbers over the past several years. We are seeing less and less deer, moose and elk but yet the pred numbers haven't changed much? It just has to but knowing how far wolves will go leaves me to wonder...
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    Re: Reason for low ungulate populations

    great pics...all preds get arond faster and further on roads that is a forsure..

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    Re: Reason for low ungulate populations

    Quote Originally Posted by scotty30-06 View Post
    I heard cougar meat is pretty good eating....if anyone knows please chime in....when hunting I like hunting for meat...other then coyote and other varmit I don't like pulling the trigger unless there is some sort of meat reward lol...I know bear is good just wondering about cougar
    It's delicious.

    My fave is using it in a sweet'n'sour dish, or a stir fry.

    You can make great hams with the hinds.

    Regular cuts like steaks and roasts should be marinated or done in a slow cooker, as they are a muscular animal that requires time to ensure it's tender.
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    Re: Reason for low ungulate populations

    A cougar crossed the road in front of me yesterday at about noon. 25 years driving the same road and it's the first time I've seen one in the road in daylight.
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    Re: Reason for low ungulate populations

    Wow great pictures! That big grizzly looks incredibly intimidating..lol

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    Re: Reason for low ungulate populations

    Quote Originally Posted by HarryToolips View Post
    Awesome pics CHB...my take on it is yes we need to do our part to take out some preds, as well as support the other drivers of ungulate populations of course such as habitat etc...that being said, you would think that at some point soon, with some of these areas becoming predator pits, that the number of preds will come crashing down...here's to hoping...
    As you know I'm one that has suggested in the EK ungulate populations are low. No doubt about it. I was talking to a friend who is responsible for the airborn removal of wolves and he suggested, based in collar data and their observations the wolf population is starting to crash.

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    Re: Reason for low ungulate populations

    Quote Originally Posted by J_T View Post
    As you know I'm one that has suggested in the EK ungulate populations are low. No doubt about it. I was talking to a friend who is responsible for the airborn removal of wolves and he suggested, based in collar data and their observations the wolf population is starting to crash.
    That's good news, thanks for the update.

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    Re: Reason for low ungulate populations

    Logging in the Chilcotin I believe is the biggest factor contributing to the bear boom. It was only 30 years ago when there was hardly a grizzly around very few were ever seen. Now you see them almost daily out my way.
    Bears don't live in mature pine forests. With logging brings reseeding of the roads and landings providing ample food for spring and summer food sources. Unfortunately the fawns and calves take a huge hit come spring time.

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    Re: Reason for low ungulate populations

    Quote Originally Posted by Rattler View Post
    Have to wonder what all these predators are eating with low ungulate numbers? Hope to put the hurt on a black bear this weekend....
    I think it's safe to say all preds are opportunists. They will eat veggies and small game until the opportunity arrives for a larger high protein meal.

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    Re: Reason for low ungulate populations

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher-Dude View Post
    It's delicious.

    My fave is using it in a sweet'n'sour dish, or a stir fry.

    You can make great hams with the hinds.

    Regular cuts like steaks and roasts should be marinated or done in a slow cooker, as they are a muscular animal that requires time to ensure it's tender.
    X2. One of my favorites. Makes pretty darned good sausage too! Honey/garlic
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