Killers of BCs Moose

["No Choke"Lord Walsingham]

So lord no choke, we should not try and get value for our tax dollars, even if it's small? I need no reminder of how over taxed we are, or how little we get back for what we pay.

This country of ours takes a back seat to none as far as being the best in the world. I wouldn't trade Canada for anyplace.

The second amendment has nothing to do with the Pittman Robertson act, and there is no reason sportsmen can't champion something similar here. Lil bit off a box of shells for wildlife ain't gonna hurt at all.

Best in the world? Hahahaaaa!!!!!! WTF? Surely, you're doing me a bomboozling?!

Anyhow, I did not intend to steer the thread away from the Moose issue... None the less I will trade c-u-next-tuesday-ada at my earliest convenience for the actual best in the world, those United States of America as soon as I have raised sufficent capital to bring as many jobs as possible with me via na investors visa. Unfortunately in this wealth depleting socialist shithole, I may never be able to do such. IDK and shall see! In the mean time, I'll have to settle for second (at best) best... If even that.

My point is clear. Yours is that we need value? Agreed.

Yet previously you were suggesting a new tax?

My point is/was that value must be seen for the taxes already implemented. No side track intended and I do have ideas for how to improve matters yet I will not present them until and unless and I choose to divest my own personal funds in that direction.

["No Choke"Lord Walsingham]

So lord no choke, we should not try and get value for our tax dollars, even if it's small? I need no reminder of how over taxed we are, or how little we get back for what we pay.

This country of ours takes a back seat to none as far as being the best in the world. I wouldn't trade Canada for anyplace.

The second amendment has nothing to do with the Pittman Robertson act, and there is no reason sportsmen can't champion something similar here. Lil bit off a box of shells for wildlife ain't gonna hurt at all.

P.S. - Yes, yes it will hurt. Too many monkeys, too many mouths to feed and too much required already with next to no economy and the CAD heading rapidly toward Zimbabwe money status.

I REPEAT -

Too many taxes already. No value. NO new taxes, period!

[BgBlkDg]

CANADA, is a "wealth depleting socialist SHITHOLE" ??????

Well, many roads lead south, don't let any Canadian delay you.......

["No Choke"Lord Walsingham]

CANADA, is a "wealth depleting socialist SHITHOLE" ??????

Well, many roads lead south, don't let any Canadian delay you.......

Well said! I won't. Like I said - The hold up surely isn't based in Canada. Yet in 2017 a guy can not just walk across our southern border and take up residence legally nor in good conscience. Especially not a guy like me who must bring jobs!
Then get citizenship.
Then write ottawa and of course, pay the *******s one last time to renounce citizenship.

By the by yes, a downside of a socialist police state is wealth depletion. Another is nanny state bullshit.... Furthermore, looks like BC's out of Moose too?

Dang, what a dump.

[LeverActionJunkie]

Ok, I guess. Enjoy Merica. Spent couple years there myself, decent place.

Some how we got all f'd up on the direction we were going in this thread.

[Gamebuster]

It's variable. Some areas are low, some ok (ie stable), but still much lower density than before and not showing signs of growth (which you would accept if it was a stochastic event).

With cow survival from 85-90% we missed the crash there's no doubt about it.

so if true, what factor causes low cow survival and a crash then just stops and survival rates are good again? And across all the study sites?

[bearvalley]

so if true, what factor causes low cow survival and a crash then just stops and survival rates are good again? And across all the study sites?

The only study area with two data years to compare is Big Creek. The paper states "the role of calf survival affecting population growth in all our study areas remains unknown".
How many of those 9 month old calves are living to be a producing 2 1/2 or 3 1/2 year old cow?
The mid aged cows studied , for the most part were born before the worst of the crash.
Theres still a lot unknown.

[GoatGuy]

so if true, what factor causes low cow survival and a crash then just stops and survival rates are good again? And across all the study sites?

Usually stochastic events, ie bad winter.

In this case they are testing the landscape change hypothesis (did salvage logging have a role in this?). A link to the original design:

http://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/env...rch_design.pdf

Survival rates aren't good, would probably call them ok or decent.

Recruitment is ok in some areas low in others.

Typically after stochastic events you would expect see recovery which is higher survival in cows and better recruitment. We aren't really seeing that in a big way.

There will be another update available by this spring and some of the work on habitat selection etc will start to roll in hopefully by the end of this year to provide more details.

[GoatGuy]

The only study area with two data years to compare is Big Creek. The paper states "the role of calf survival affecting population growth in all our study areas remains unknown".
How many of those 9 month old calves are living to be a producing 2 1/2 or 3 1/2 year old cow?
The mid aged cows studied , for the most part were born before the worst of the crash.
Theres still a lot unknown.

Agreed.

Finally at least we got some winter in the cariboo and they were able to do some flights.

[Walking Buffalo]

It's variable. Some areas are low, some ok (ie stable), but still much lower density than before and not showing signs of growth (which you would accept if it was a stochastic event).

With cow survival from 85-90% we missed the crash there's no doubt about it.

Usually stochastic events, ie bad winter.

In this case they are testing the landscape change hypothesis (did salvage logging have a role in this?). A link to the original design:

http://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/env...rch_design.pdf

Survival rates aren't good, would probably call them ok or decent.

Recruitment is ok in some areas low in others.

Typically after stochastic events you would expect see recovery which is higher survival in cows and better recruitment. We aren't really seeing that in a big way.

There will be another update available by this spring and some of the work on habitat selection etc will start to roll in hopefully by the end of this year to provide more details.

Bad winters, or too many warm ones in a row?

Tic, tic, Tick. ?

Surely there is some information to evaluate whether these little killers played a role?