Cougar Bag Limits - Regional, Provincial and MU's - MU Clusters!

[GoatGuy]

Region 4 cougars are over harvested in many MUs
Should be managed by MU with a 2 to 4 cat quota for each MU, possible more depending on MU
To many kittens left to starve to death or to become deemed problem cats because people are
shooting females with young.
Bag limit should be 1 and even go to 1 in 5, that could be said for other species as well such as goats.

Over-harvested based on what?

What should the objective be for cougars?

[Elkaholic]

Over-harvested based on what?

What should the objective be for cougars?

Well you cannot say anything that is being done is based on science as the bio's fully admit they have no idea what is out there. So how would you prove your point that they are under-harvested?

[GoatGuy]

Well you cannot say anything that is being done is based on science as the bio's fully admit they have no idea what is out there. So how would you prove your point that they are under-harvested?

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Didn't say they were being under-harvested.

Asked why LBM thinks they are being over-harvest.

And secondly what the objective is for cougar management.

Guess the second question would be a good one for you as well.

[horshur]

Not numbers of animals but age class and structure. Current regs are for sustained harvest.

["No Choke"Lord Walsingham]

I was under the understanding that the 2 bag limit only applied in the west koots and/or the caribou recovery zone, the East koots is 1. All of the other MU's get shut down when the female quota has been hit, except for a few. But if a trusty CO told you so I still wouldn't believe him, it just seems counter productive on what they are trying to do. As well as I have on numerous occasions got two different stories out of two different co's on some issues. As LBM has stated most MU's are over harvested on cougar here, you might not think so, but any cat over i would say 70lbs usually takes a bullet. If people still think cougar are a problem here in the EK they have their head in the sand.

Everyone's free to express their opinion, all are welcome. But I do disagree with LBM and yourself.

For a guy that was under an incorrect impression concerning what the bag limit even is to go on to say that any cat over 70lbs are usually killed by Hunters in the EK strikes me as a total load of nonsense and a truly absurdist, hyperbolic statement at best. Please back this up with legit data if you can, that's nutzo! I presume you're just being colorful?

[LBM]

Over-harvested based on what?

What should the objective be for cougars?

#1 personal observation, harvest data, talking with biologists that say the same thing
#2 A more rounded age class of cats. Managed by MU with a realistic Quota for them
Quota on Toms should have been implemented years ago, more realistic quota on females
Regional bag limit of 1, go to a 1 in 5 limit
Pursuit till the end of March in the EK
That would be a start

[GoatGuy]

#1 personal observation, harvest data, talking with biologists that say the same thing
#2 A more rounded age class of cats. Managed by MU with a realistic Quota for them
Quota on Toms should have been implemented years ago, more realistic quota on females
Regional bag limit of 1, go to a 1 in 5 limit
Pursuit till the end of March in the EK
That would be a start

So not managing cougars, more like a natural, un-hunted structure.

Fair enough.

Certainly some polarizing opinions in the EK, as always.

[houndogger]

#1 personal observation, harvest data, talking with biologists that say the same thing
#2 A more rounded age class of cats. Managed by MU with a realistic Quota for them
Quota on Toms should have been implemented years ago, more realistic quota on females
Regional bag limit of 1, go to a 1 in 5 limit
Pursuit till the end of March in the EK
That would be a start

What's the average age of cats ci in region 4?

[r106]

r106 - It applies in any instance wherein multiple animals of the same Big Game species can be harvested in the Province/Region. So let's use this example -

Region 2 Columbia Blacktail Bucks 2-5, 2-12 Sept 10-Nov 30 Bag Limit 1. Regional Bag Limit is 2. If you kill a Buck in 2-12, then it appears to be a no go for 2-5. Just like EK Cougar, I figure.

hmm I always thought that it just ment you can only take 1 from one of those mu's but you could still take one from another as long as you don't go over regional or provincial bag limits. If what your saying is true I bet there are a lot of people taking some illegal deer

["No Choke"Lord Walsingham]

So not managing cougars, more like a natural, un-hunted structure.

Fair enough.

Certainly some polarizing opinions in the EK, as always.

I figure polarized opinions are all over the place! I also figure that the Region 4 Cougar Hunt is just fine and is being managed well and in a sustainable way.