my outlook has changed what do you think?

[whitespringer]

"So science is great but its not absolute.
Lets not make it into a religion".[/QUOTE]


Ahh, therein lies the truth, science is a religion. It requires absolute faith to trust in unproven theories. ��

[adriaticum]

They are just as welcome to read my opinion right here on HBC!

Market Hunting and Hunting are different. The former being a commercial activity. Bison died to make way for the changes to the land and that just might be the exception to the rule! Beaver are all over the place still. The fur trade of centuries past died to the whims of fashion in Europe, not over hunting of Beaver.

As for that other stuff?

I am as big a fan of ol' Teddy and support naming things after the guy, great US president. Other than that? Those things are useless.

Again folks - These are just one man's opinion.

lol, ok, you take dung and wrap it nicely it's hard to continue.
16 million people in 1800 laid a beating on the bison.
We now have 20 times the population.
It doesn't matter what the reason for hunting is.
The bottom line is we can't just go industrial on a resource and expect it to last in perpetuity.
We have to plan.

["No Choke"Lord Walsingham]

Science is definitely faith based, all things are. If you do not believe the fundamental premise and principles then subsequent things are not going to make sense. In that sense (and that it can be a belief system) science is indeed a religion. That said "religion" is not the term I tend to use to describe science. I'd go with belief system.

Adriaticum - Thanks buddy, likewise! No need to continue, I assure you. It'll just go round and round with us. Please do note that I am not suggesting industrialising Hunting and do differentiate between commercial activities (such as the former trade of Market Hunting, for example) and recreational Hunting/Subsistence and so on. I felt I made this clear earlier.

As far as doing something? Why not! If youse guys need some support I'm here for you. Just please let's not limit our opportunities further. In the general way of things once an opportunity to Hunt is gone, it's gone for good. Way too long, in the least.

[Fisher-Dude]

Maybe when we go to online for our hunting license in the future you will have to fill a harvest report out before you can get your license .then maybe we can get a more accurate data. But what I can tell you the whitetail numbers have dropped , i'am no expert but I can tell from what I see driving up and down the logging roads 12 hours a day 5 days a week, doing it for 40 years. (driving logging truck) use to see 20 deer a day now your lucky to see 5 deer in a week .even when we get snow you just don't see any sign. and you can ask any of the locals and they will tell you the same thing. Guys like me and hunter1947 two guys that spend a lot of time in the bush, although were not scientists we can report to you what we do see . maybe just maybe you should listen to what some of us have to say.

Explain to us why you think seeing 20 deer a day is a sign of healthy deer herds.

[blacklab]

Explain to us why you think seeing 20 deer a day is a sign of healthy deer herds.

So when people like you kill your does and fawns there will be some left.

[Fisher-Dude]

So when people like you kill your does and fawns there will be some left.

You are a special fellow.

Good luck out there.

[Husky7mm]

So when people like you kill your does and fawns there will be some left.

Bahahaha, funny cause it's true!

[Trapper]

Explain to us why you think seeing 20 deer a day is a sign of healthy deer herds.

explain to ME why seeing 5 deer in a week is a sign of a healthy deer herd

[hunter1947]

explain to ME why seeing 5 deer in a week is a sign of a healthy deer herd

X2 where are they ??

[HarryToolips]

^^^^when I was in your neck of ththe woods last September, I saw plenty of wt does, the bucks were already wisened up to the traffic and staying off the roads already...my neck of the woods, numbers of both species are down slightly from my counts, but I would think it's from a couple not so mild winters and snowpack, as well as urban encroachment on critical winter range..