I should also add if you are not on a tight budget and want a custom bow made PM me and I can hook you up with a custom bowyer who makes a real nice recurve with the old 1950's recurve type grip..(low)..I have one of his recurve and took a nice whitetail with it . The bowyer also makes longbows...I am using a BEAR recurve to this season but have not been out much ....still trying to find good hunting areas for bowhunting as I moved to this area and this is my first year here and all the areas I am still exploring .