Predator management....what's gone wrong?

[bearvalley]

It seems LBM that you don't like ranchers, outfitters or trappers to much.
Or maybe you're just an all around shit disturber that wants to pretend to be a CO.
Have you got anything worthwhile to contribute to this thread ?
If not maybe take the advice of one of the previous posters....and....disappear.

[tomcat]

LBM for your edification:

Compared to methods nature uses to control excess predator populations snaring is relatively humane. Disease and parasite infections take weeks and months to kill these animals. In proper perspective snaring is very humane when using a good lock along with a dispatch assistance spring and proper setting for the target species. With a good snaring system the vast majority of your catch will be DOA, site area disturbance minimal allowing the location to be reused and the animal will show little, if any, edema. Experience and education are the key to successful humane snaring.

As far as non-target catches are concerned they are very minimal compared to road kill statistics, and they are often other predators. Unfortunately under the best systems shyte occasionally happens.

[Gateholio]

It seems LBM that you don't like ranchers, outfitters or trappers to much.
Or maybe you're just an all around shit disturber that wants to pretend to be a CO.
Have you got anything worthwhile to contribute to this thread ?
If not maybe take the advice of one of the previous posters....and....disappear.

About time you realized conversing with some people is a waste of time.

[bearvalley]

Now to put this thread back on track a bit as to predator management and what's gone wrong.
I've identified a group of wolves that have been manipulated into specific cattle killers and have seen first hand the impact they have had through both dead and chewed up victims. Over the time period of 2 grazing seasons (appr 14 months on both crown and private) this one, relatively small pack has hit over 100 head.
Remember, all the chewed up ones would have died as well if they hadn't been treated.
The other 10 months (winter, non grazing season) of these last 2 years this pack of cur wolves would have been forced to work harder and live off of moose, elk, caribou, deer and rabbits.
Do the math on how much impact they have had on wildlife, we already know what they have killed for cattle.
Now take into consideration that there are at least 2 other larger packs (one pack was arial counted at 17) within my range unit that as far as we know have stayed within their natural diet of wildlife.
It doesn't take a PH.D. to figure out why we need to have a moose recovery plan, why caribou herds are in trouble, why elk populations have dropped, big bucks are no longer in abundance and some bighorn sheep bands have almost disappeared.
I realize we have issues with habitat and access, there are ticks and global warming could also be a factor.
These are all things that time will be needed to either fix or see if it's really the problem.
Proper predator management is the fastest fix to bring balance back to the equation.

[panhead]

Sorry to hear of your losses ... just curious ... haw many you figure are in that relatively small pack? If you take out most of the pack are the remainders likely to join up with another pack or stay on their own?
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[bearvalley]

panhead, it started off last year as a pack of 7.
A young male and 3 pups got stupid last fall and caught bullets.
A bred female (6 pups in her) was removed in March.
The alpha male and two 5 month old pups were recently taken out leaving 1 more female and another this year pup.
Pretty sure these last 2 will go as well. Tracks show they are still around looking for the rest of the tribe.
This shows what wolf numbers can do. If last years pack of 7 had been left alone it would have consisted of 16 wolves in that pack today.
That's one pack in a small corner of this province, now apply the math on a large scale.

[Ohwildwon]

The only real way for the average hunter to put a dent in the wolf pop,
is to be legally able to hunt at night...

Is hell going to freeze over for this to happen?

[panhead]

panhead, it started off last year as a pack of 7.
A young male and 3 pups got stupid last fall and caught bullets.
A bred female (6 pups in her) was removed in March.
The alpha male and two 5 month old pups were recently taken out leaving 1 more female and another this year pup.
Pretty sure these last 2 will go as well. Tracks show they are still around looking for the rest of the tribe.
This shows what wolf numbers can do. If last years pack of 7 had been left alone it would have consisted of 16 wolves in that pack today.
That's one pack in a small corner of this province, now apply the math on a large scale.

Math comes hard to me but that is a LOT of multiplying ... yikes ...
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[Surrey Boy]

The only real way for the average hunter to put a dent in the wolf pop,
is to be legally able to hunt at night...

Is hell going to freeze over for this to happen?

Fort Nelson freezes over every year.

[Ohwildwon]