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    Re: BC Chronic Wasting Disease Surveillance Program

    Quote Originally Posted by srupp View Post
    hmmm had a draw in southern Alberta...buck looked fine however tested positive..head /meat was retrieved and incinerated at local co-gen plant.
    on another hunt north of Quesnel noticed a emaciated bone RACK ELK..so far gone he was staggering..2 hours on the phone couldnt find anyone interested in the sick elk.gotta be better than that..
    good luck on the project to deal with this issue.
    cheers
    Steven
    Thanks Steven, sorry to hear about your troubles with reporting. I'd recommend all reports with concerns of CWD be directed to the Wildlife Health Office (call 250 751-3219 or email Cait.Nelson@gov.bc.ca).

    You bring up a good point though; The vast majority if CWD-positive animals are going to look healthy. Once an animal picks up CWD prions, they start multiplying in the body. It can take 18 months or more before there's enough of them in the brain to start causing problems and the animal can be spreading prions around well before that happens. Once you start seeing physical symptoms they might only have a few weeks left, though it can vary.
    Last edited by BC-CWD; 08-09-2023 at 04:35 PM. Reason: Added quote I was replying to

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    Re: BC Chronic Wasting Disease Surveillance Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Harvest the Land View Post
    Hi Jake,

    Thanks for the update.

    Here's a question for you. How come we haven't built a wildlife fence along our borders with Montana, Idaho, Washington and Alberta? Yes I understand it would be very expensive and difficult terrain to navigate in certain areas, but its certainly possible to do. It seems to me that if the Province was genuinely serious about preventing CWD infected deer from entering the province, a logical first step would be to prevent any deer from any of those states and Alberta from being able to cross our border and enter the province by building a rugged durable impenetrable fence.

    Why aren't we at the very least contemplating something like this? I understand that the border with the states would be federal jurisdiction and might make it harder to build a fence, but why not just build the fence back a few meters on our side of the border so it wouldn't interfere with the international border? Yes some migratory animals may suffer from not being able to cross back and forth but that is a small price to pay to ensure BC remains CWD free.

    What am I missing here?
    You've covered the two biggest reasons. It can't be understated how prohibitively expensive a wildlife fence spanning the entire south and east border of BC would be, both to build and maintain. More importantly, we have no idea what blocking off all natural migration in and out of the province would do to our wildlife. Such a project would need multiple environmental impact studies on the risks to various species that use these border areas before getting started.

    The third key factor is time. With the rate of CWD expansion in Montana, it's likely that we will have it show up in the province before such a project could ever be completed. It's possible there are CWD-positive animals already on our side of the border that we haven't detected. A fence also wouldn't prevent the risks of illegally transported carcasses from outside the province. For these reasons it would be near impossible to justify the extreme costs even if the money was available and it was decided the impacts were worth it. There have been suggestions about creating smaller fencing projects in border areas with high migratory deer traffic, which may be achievable in our projected time constraints.

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    Re: BC Chronic Wasting Disease Surveillance Program

    Quote Originally Posted by BC-CWD View Post
    You've covered the two biggest reasons. It can't be understated how prohibitively expensive a wildlife fence spanning the entire south and east border of BC would be, both to build and maintain. More importantly, we have no idea what blocking off all natural migration in and out of the province would do to our wildlife. Such a project would need multiple environmental impact studies on the risks to various species that use these border areas before getting started.

    The third key factor is time. With the rate of CWD expansion in Montana, it's likely that we will have it show up in the province before such a project could ever be completed. It's possible there are CWD-positive animals already on our side of the border that we haven't detected. A fence also wouldn't prevent the risks of illegally transported carcasses from outside the province. For these reasons it would be near impossible to justify the extreme costs even if the money was available and it was decided the impacts were worth it. There have been suggestions about creating smaller fencing projects in border areas with high migratory deer traffic, which may be achievable in our projected time constraints.
    Why can't we walk and chew gum at the same time?

    If we can find $8 billion to send the most corrupt country in Europe, then its absolutely possible to find X number of dollars to build a wildlife fence to prevent the devastating CWD from entering our province. (and I agree its most likely already here)

    Do you think it might be a bit hyperbolic and not entirely accurate to say "we have no idea what blocking off all natural migration in and out of the province would do to our wildlife"? I have hard time believing that we have no idea what the impacts will be and no idea which populations will be affected - there has to be at least one Bio in the govt that has some idea; someone must have looked into this at some point. Why will study after study after study have to be done? Seems a tad overkill and its a large reason why some folks have negative opinions of government. Too many unnecessary "studies" and nothing gets done. Build the fence and constantly monitor those population dynamics of those animals who used to migrate across the border. Surely most will have no problem adjusting. And if after a year, 3 years, 5 years etc we're noticing major negative impacts on those migrating populations, then re-assess and adjust as necessary. If some populations struggle in the short term that would be unfortunate but a small price to pay to keep BC CWD free.

    Of course time is of the essence but it doesn't mean that we still shouldn't start building fencing somewhere and do our best to mitigate/prevent/monitor CWD as best as possible in the meantime (walk & chew gum). At the very least we should install sections of fencing in high migratory deer areas. If the BC govt was genuinely taking this issue seriously they would have built those and a much broader fence a decade ago.

    Thanks for taking the time to reply
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    Re: BC Chronic Wasting Disease Surveillance Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Harvest the Land View Post
    Why can't we walk and chew gum at the same time?

    If we can find $8 billion to send the most corrupt country in Europe, then its absolutely possible to find X number of dollars to build a wildlife fence to prevent the devastating CWD from entering our province. (and I agree its most likely already here)

    Do you think it might be a bit hyperbolic and not entirely accurate to say "we have no idea what blocking off all natural migration in and out of the province would do to our wildlife"? I have hard time believing that we have no idea what the impacts will be and no idea which populations will be affected - there has to be at least one Bio in the govt that has some idea; someone must have looked into this at some point. Why will study after study after study have to be done? Seems a tad overkill and its a large reason why some folks have negative opinions of government. Too many unnecessary "studies" and nothing gets done. Build the fence and constantly monitor those population dynamics of those animals who used to migrate across the border. Surely most will have no problem adjusting. And if after a year, 3 years, 5 years etc we're noticing major negative impacts on those migrating populations, then re-assess and adjust as necessary. If some populations struggle in the short term that would be unfortunate but a small price to pay to keep BC CWD free.

    Of course time is of the essence but it doesn't mean that we still shouldn't start building fencing somewhere and do our best to mitigate/prevent/monitor CWD as best as possible in the meantime (walk & chew gum). At the very least we should install sections of fencing in high migratory deer areas. If the BC govt was genuinely taking this issue seriously they would have built those and a much broader fence a decade ago.

    Thanks for taking the time to reply
    I realize that I was a bit too vague on this but to clarify, I don't work for the government. Just assisting with the program. I've edited my original post to make that clear for future readers. Apologies for the confusion.

    We can all agree wildlife protection deserves more funding. The CWD Monitoring Program only gets so much per year from the province and every last dollar has been used as effectively as possible to get it to where it is now. There are plenty of ideas on the backburner if the funds are ever there for them. Reaching out to local representatives is the best route if we want to see them pushing to prioritize wildlife in the budget.
    Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with the government, but I am a collaborator on the Chronic Wasting Disease Monitoring Program.

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