Yea, early morning long distance grainy pics certainly don't do him justice. He's going to be in that mid 170 to 180 range. Big Boar nailed the safe score IMO. Tall & narrow bucks are always hard to judge. They are deceiving because the eyes seem to focus on the lack of width rather than length of tines. His G2's are exceptional and the mains sweep in the same path as his G4's giving the impression of being crab forked but the buck actually has decent fronts on him.