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Elephant Hill Fire Area closed to all motorized vehicles
Anyone else see the news?
May 11, 2018
ORDER Section 58 (1) of the Forest and range practices Act in the Elephant Hill Wildfire Area
The proposed section 58 closes the areas for unauthorized use of motorized vehicles including automobiles,trucks, motorcycles, motorhomes and all types of off road recreation vehicles.
This is a short term order that would be in effect this season from May 17, 2018 until December 31st, 2018, while restoration activities for the fire area are being planned and initiated
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I will always call it the "Ashcroft Reserve fire".....
"Classen was on his way home when the fire erupted July 6 in the close-knit First Nation community of 76 people"
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...uees-1.4204412
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"Restoration Activities"......like what????(hope someone has some insight on that?)
If they want to spend some time to deactivate some of those "fire perimeter roads", then okay, but that won't
take that long.
Also, is "everyone" banned???? (doubt that).
Leave it alone, it will grow back if you ask me, the way it was "intended" to do by MN.
Interested to hear what the "reasoning is this time".
If it is due to "waiting for sightlines to disappear as new growth reappears", then kiss any of that area away for
the next 10 years.
And if that's the case, another big fire season like last year, and we will "all" be sitting at home for the season/s.
(At least til we kick the ndp out)
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I own a cabin at Loon Lake and i have no info, emails or postings on this, i dont think this is very transparent as theres no explaination of extent etc as theres cabin owners, resorts etc that are accessed by forest roads, so people cant go to their cabin and resorts shut down?
This makes no sense
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scoutlt1
Yea you BET because they Caused the WHOLE problem ! :mad: RJ
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Originally Posted by
boxhitch
Anyone else see the news?
May 11, 2018
ORDER Section 58 (1) of the Forest and range practices Act in the Elephant Hill Wildfire Area
The proposed section 58 closes the areas for unauthorized use of motorized vehicles including automobiles,trucks, motorcycles, motorhomes and all types of off road recreation vehicles.
This is a short term order that would be in effect this season from May 17, 2018 until December 31st, 2018, while restoration activities for the fire area are being planned and initiated
Where did you see that?
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Few family members have cabins up there. I can understand keeping quads/bikes off the brush, off trail etc but if your on a well used trail I see no problem. I agree with deactivating some of the roads put in for the fire but does that take the whole summer? Then it will be closed again in fall.
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I can’t believe the penny has not dropped for most people on here........ wow.....
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Areas? Would like to see a map of the closures. Does this effect the spring bear hunt?
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Haven't seen anything official on this on any government sites and front counter said they haven't seen it.
Looks like it's bogus thus far.
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For the benefit of ungulates.......all recent fire area's should be closed to vehicular traffic, especially hunting, closed to all people not just some.
If we want habitat for ungulates then the roads need to be closed, cant have it both ways. If there is any benefit to closed vehicular access it will be for the ungulate population.
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This came from a page shot that someone posted up on another sm site, thats why I asked if anyone else had seen it.
Original was labelled 'To Tenure Holder'
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Appears to be bogus, don't trust the intrawweb
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Originally Posted by
338win mag
For the benefit of ungulates.......all recent fire area's should be closed to vehicular traffic, especially hunting, closed to all people not just some.
If we want habitat for ungulates then the roads need to be closed, cant have it both ways. If there is any benefit to closed vehicular access it will be for the ungulate population.
Your thinking is completely backwards.
It's actually a good time to harvest ungulates after a fire as the food supply is so low for a few years there is too much competition and they end up having a hard time wintering.
It's better to have less animals eating what food is available rather than too many animals competing for the food that isn't.
This is a very simple concept that has been documented in other large burn areas,
You made a good point until that little slur at the end which I removed. I've punted you before, its not hard to do again!
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...thought I found a good article on food available after a burn but it was lame...will keep looking
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One thing I wished I had done last season after the fire was to select a few areas to photograph, and
then as each season goes by, take photos every year of those same scenes and there changes over time.
Glad to hear the article was bogus.
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Yes, its real. Apparently to restrict access to the 1200km of cat track fire breaks that were put in fighting the fires. Heard they will be deactivating/ remediating the cat tracks this summer. Waiting for clarification on if it affects travel on FSRs or only deactivated roads and trails.
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Originally Posted by
dmaxtech
Yes, its real. Apparently to restrict access to the 1200km of cat track fire breaks that were put in fighting the fires. Heard they will be deactivating/ remediating the cat tracks this summer. Waiting for clarification on if it affects travel on FSRs or only deactivated roads and trails.
That part I can understand, and agree fully with, as you could get 3 shots off before the deer crossed (IMO).
Plus, and I don't know how they managed it, but they put those fire breaks "right into several honey holes":p
(amazing how that happened!!??)
But, to have it all shut down til December seems a little much.
That means they have "canned the entire area" for hunting this fall.
If that's the case, I guess other areas are going to get a whole lot more crowded.
People heading back to some old stomping grounds that they have hunted in years I suppose?
(Saw that happen when R5 closed for nov 10 -20th)
What are they worried about, that someone is going to get shot accidently??
I can understand banning the quads for now, just like last season.
(that's was a good decision, IMO, but only for time to deactivate stuff)
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Likely a result of this review...
https://bcfloodfirereview.ca/
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Originally Posted by
TexasWalker
Haven't seen anything official on this on any government sites and front counter said they haven't seen it.
Looks like it's bogus thus far.
My post at 7;15, yours at midnight
you are connected aren't you
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The whole area your describing is 100% Indian redoing, I saw it on the news, all work on this huge area fire burned Elephant Hill is already been contracted to be this way, I seen it on TV so you can look it up on the intra web it will be on there already another guy saw the same thing.
Jel -- The entire area -- If someone good at computer could put that article on here for us to read -- under Entire Area redone by Indians --
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Looks like it's bogus thus far.
Might be just some people thinking out loud.
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https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/fa...ion-58_map.jpg
Looks like closure will not apply to existing roads.
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boxhitch
My post at 7;15, yours at midnight
you are connected aren't you
I wish lol
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Hmmm trying to understand the closure. .it is open on highways main roads, and FSR..?
Just the fire fighting track rds made for fighting last years fires? Are closed..is this correct ?
Thank you.
Srupp
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That's how I am understanding it....hmmm:p
I definitely agree they need to do something with those fire perimeter roads, and am happy to see from
what I can tell that is what they are up to.
After I saw all those roads everywhere, I was totally in agreement with "shutting down ATV use".
My buddies who usually bring their quads up there were actually in agreement with it too, after they saw it
for themselves.
If they ban them this year, I can understand it as well
(Sure made for a "quiet" hunting weekend, to be honest, noise wise)
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Originally Posted by
TexasWalker
Your thinking is completely backwards.
It's actually a good time to harvest ungulates after a fire as the food supply is so low for a few years there is too much competition and they end up having a hard time wintering.
It's better to have less animals eating what food is available rather than too many animals competing for the food that isn't.
This is a very simple concept that has been documented in other large burn areas,
You made a good point until that little slur at the end which I removed. I've punted you before, its not hard to do again!
Can anyone enlighten me as to what this guy is talking about?
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Originally Posted by
338win mag
Can anyone enlighten me as to what this guy is talking about?
Simply put, he wants the last of everything shot.
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I think he’s referring to the carrying capacity being reduced due to the burned areas not growing but the animals are all seeking refuge in the green areas. Come winter they could starve if there are too many of them.
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Originally Posted by
dmaxtech
I think he’s referring to the carrying capacity being reduced due to the burned areas not growing but the animals are all seeking refuge in the green areas. Come winter they could starve if there are too many of them.
The assumption you are making is that there are too many of them.
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Originally Posted by
TexasWalker
Your thinking is completely backwards.
It's actually a good time to harvest ungulates after a fire as the food supply is so low for a few years there is too much competition and they end up having a hard time wintering.
It's better to have less animals eating what food is available rather than too many animals competing for the food that isn't.
This is a very simple concept that has been documented in other large burn areas,
You made a good point until that little slur at the end which I removed. I've punted you before, its not hard to do again!
Really? You better pm me your beef punk
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Originally Posted by
338win mag
Really? You better pm me your beef punk
That was put there by ME. not TW who you calling punk??? LOL
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Steeleco
That was put there by ME. not TW who you calling punk??? LOL
Sorry bout that Steelco.
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I was there last weekend and was pleasantly surprised with the amount of new growth, lots of greenery everywhere, lots of feed. I’m okay if they shut down the deactivated roads, like walking but until they get their shiet together and post signs up and make it transparent it won’t be followed, and be tough to in force.
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The way I read it Bernie is all the existing roads are ok to drive on just not off of them ?
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Weatherby Fan
The way I read it Bernie is all the existing roads are ok to drive on just not off of them ?
That's how I read it too. You can use the roads but not the trails/deactivated roads or fireguards.
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TexasWalker
I wish lol
so it was more bs
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Originally Posted by
srupp
Hmmm trying to understand the closure. .it is open on highways main roads, and FSR..?
Just the fire fighting track rds made for fighting last years fires? Are closed..is this correct ?
Thank you.
Srupp
Off-roading will be banned in the Elephant Hill wildfire area effective this Thursday. The closure will remain in effective until Dec. 31, 2018
cfjctoday.com/article/620909/province-closes-elephant-hill-wildfire-area-road-vehicle-use