Read it and weep:
http://seawestnews.com/sweeping-clos...ishing-season/
https://www.timescolonist.com/news/l...ing-1.23793196
https://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum...-35-png.45035/
Printable View
well thats just fine as long as we pull the nets out...
No grizzly hunting, no moose in region 5, no chinook fishing. The list will get longer... This province is a pretty sad f*****g place to live if you enjoy hunting and fishing.
If our governments would put some controls on the ever increasing seal and sea lion populations that would be a major step in preserving and improving salmon and steelhead stocks.
what is limited ceremonial fishing when not monitored ?
How much do you want to bet,
that you will be able to buy from the natives before July 15? :sad:
Yup a year away from retirement guess I should renew my library card , won't be able to do anything else
Nothing said about sea lions or seals. Nothing said about commercial herring fishing in the spring. These guys are a joke!!
FN's are supposed to not fish until July 15th, buddy was watching a gill net up from derby reach this past week, as for the commies they have been cut back so much they also are a non issue, Costa Rica here i come
Slap in the face to the Sooke recreational fishermen who have been releasing Chinook smolts for the last couple of years,while the DFO ‘studied’ it
Oh well now we can spend our time on the water pulling unwelcome nets from our rivers & oceans. I’m going to become a real water cowboy.
http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/image...napoutofit.gif
The troll fleets have taken around 12 % of what the recreational sector does annually for springs for a considerably long time (over a decade) now. Take a long hard look in the mirror if you still need to apply a label. And yeah, I can and will back that with science & numbers.
It means damn the torpedoes and full on fishing for one sector and one sector only. Reality.
Combined with the noted announcements today, was another that slid largely unnoticed. The creation of a new branch of DFO. Titled "Reconciliation and Partnerships (R&P) Branch" complete with an RDG and support staff. You can likely guess where that is headed, but if in doubt, pm me & I will send you the background letter from DFO.
Ticked beyond belief...
Nog
When the hell will we learn that the DFO is the most pathetic, useless, destructive, and mismanaged government department of all time.
For f**k's sakes.....have we learned nothing from the Atlantic cod fishery from the early 1990's????
The blame for the state of the Pacific salmon rests solely on the DFO and their puppet masters. Period.
Absolutely disgraceful!!!!
How many licence's take that 12%. How about all the other commercial sectors? How many fish ends up as floaters when caught as by catch? No sympathy for the commercial sector here. They should have been cut back further years ago and the stocks wouldn't be in the shape they are today. They never change until they are forced to......all for the almighty dollar.
So watched CTV news Vancouver, not one word, now if a whale had died today, well it would have been a full on frenzy. Misty Macduffee you can s*ck my dick if you weren't so ugly!
Unfriggenbelievable!!!,,,,"Reconciliation and Partnerships (R&P) Branch",,,WTF??? It would be almost comical if it wasnt so tragic.
If your going to throw the commercial guys under the bus, you might also want to consider past provincial governments who have allowed logging companies to totally destroy streams, spawning beds and habitat. I think all users of the fishing resource can take equal blame for it's present state. You cannot take, take, take, and never give back. This is a wake up call for everyone. Stop taking these precise resources for granted. They are all finite.
not being particularly well informed on B.C.'s commercial fishing....i of course started looking around the magic interweb.....from the DFO website...
Soooo......am I understanding correctly that 75% of the commercial sector is unaffected while the other 25% is taking the brunt of this? Why would that be? If they were going to reduce commercial catch, why isnt it spread across trollers, seiners, and gillnetters....a little pain for all? Am I missing something here?Quote:
Commercial
Commercial fishing for salmon began shortly after the arrival of Europeans on the West Coast and has continued into the present. Commercial openings can occur anywhere along the coast depending on local run timing (May-October), distribution and stock strength. Salmon management is informed by a number of policies and programs in place, including the New Direction series instituted in 1998.
Commercial salmon licences are issued for three gear types: seine, gillnet and troll. Trollers employ hooks and lines which are suspended from large poles extending from the fishing vessel. Altering the type and arrangement of lures used on lines allows various species to be targeted. Trollers catch approximately 25 per cent of the commercial harvest. Seine nets are set from fishing boats with the assistance of a small skiff. Nets are set in a circle around aggregations of fish. The bottom edges of the net are then drawn together into a “purse” to prevent escape of the fish. Seiners take approximately 50 per cent of the commercial catch. Salmon gill nets are rectangular nets that hang in the water and are set from either the stern or bow of the vessel. Fish swim headfirst into the net, entangling their gills in the mesh. Altering mesh size and the way in which nets are suspended in the water allows nets to target selectively on certain species and sizes of fish. Gill netters generally fish near coastal rivers and inlets, taking about 25 per cent of the commercial catch. Licence conditions and commercial fishing plans lay out allowable gear characteristics such as hook styles, mesh size, net dimensions and the methods by which gear may be used.
More links of interest regarding commercial salmon fishing may be found at the top of this page.
For more information about commercial fishing for different species in the Pacific Region, please visit the Fisheries page.
P.S. Deep Breath Nog!....play nice!
The thing that is so frustrating is the decline in size and numbers of Chinook was the worst kept secret in Sooke .Everybody who fished Juan de Fuca knew it. The volunteers did what they could but got zero help from DFO( they ‘studied’it) This implosion COULD have been averted by a concerted effort to put more fish in the system.The ‘Wild Salmon’ response ( do nothing) by DFO was a complete disaster..to add insult to injury,the volunteer built water control 4’ high dam was destroyed by the government because ‘if we had a massive force 9 earthquake it might breech the dam and cause flooding downstream..(.nobody mentioned that an earthquake of this magnitude would level Victoria) so there you have it,nobody at either the provincial or federal level did anything and today we’re shut down,the recreational guys took it on the chin...short term profit oriented bad forestry management destroyed the spawning grounds, pollution and over fishing was the coup de grace ...not to mention the lost recreation, I wonder how many BILLION dollars will this cost the whole industry,hotels, guides, tackle, boats,motor and all the spin off industry.
yeah,I’m choked,at 72 I’m unlikely to still be around even if they do manage to bring back the salmon fishing in 10 years..( even if they started TODAY you can’t just reverse decades of bad management in a year or two...the very MINIMUM is 5 years away to see ANY results ,and I just don’t have the TIME left( I was looking at a book of the history of tyee fishing in Cambell river,just pictures now)
ps- yes we can catch pinks but how many people are going to shell out $300 for a 4 hour guided fishing trip to catch a 4 lb pink which are only there one month of every second the year anyway?
We got ‘good news’ and ‘bad news’..the good news is we can still go fishing,the bad news is we can’t use hooks...
The finger pointing needs to stop. It never will.... There is not one user group to blame. everyone has taken theirs.
What we need to do is forget the Commie Vs Sport Vs Native Vs logging ... and we all need to Vs the F uckers in the big city that don't know shit...
There is a river in the states, sorry I cant remember the name... They Killed 13 sealions.... 13,,, near nothing... That river had a return of 3k Steel head in 2017... it got a 7k return this year. for the lives of 13 sealions....
Damned near every hatchery fish ,, around 80% I think it is... caught off Sooke is from the Columbia... Why? The Yanks actually put fish in the rivers!
These threads on here and the rest of the internet are just showing us the problem... its US! it needs to be US Vs the city F ucks... we need to
1) kill pinnipeds
2) rehab streams and balance the PH in the rivers ( yep acid rain )
3) PUT FISH IN THE RIVERS
4) work on ocean survival
5) stop fighting amongst ourselves....
Ps, Nog is more involved in the science side of this than most all of us.. myself included. and note. he didn't point a finger at a user group....
There are definitely user group issues that need to be addressed.
I fail to understand pointing fingers at user groups. I thought the government we elected was responsible for managing our fish and wildlife? Point the finger at those successive governments that failed to do their duty and based their decisions on politics and votes instead of science and the success of the resource.
Then point the finger at us for allowing them to do it. Apathy and a system based on corruption is responsible. It is our system and it is our responsibility to fix it, together.
Yes I get that and yes the whole thing is ultimately DFO's fault for not managing and enforcing properly. However, when one user group is running willy-nilly over regulation and common sense then you do definitely have a user group issue that needs to be addressed.
Weatherby man,,, for sure... that is correct. BUT! what more commonly happens is misinformation on the internet. Is that user group really running around willy nilly? is it just a small section of it?
regardless, only alignment and sacrifice from all will help us in the right way... Sitting on the internet saying " the Indians will be selling chinook in the closure" just creates anger against a user group when it is most likely just a small portion of it ... IF they do it.
Thomas Seiwid is trying to swing the government into a cull of Pinnipeds using his Heritage.... he has the biggest gun. Yet so many people point fingers at the Natives.... news flash ... they aren't all the same! some of the comments on his FB page blow my mind! Fisherman questioning his motive.... It the same as ours! More fish! who cares who uses the fish for now, lets just get some fish.....
I'm jot going to pretend to know the science however on the topic of predators, which I'm well aware of the seal/sea lions issue one I've heard discussed quite a bit but never mentioned online is the bull trout populations.
I'm not sure if there is any real data to support that they do impact populations, but the squamish river fisheries blow for salmon these days and it's not hard to catch a bully from what I've seen.
Why is it that the only people who actualy DO something are the volunteers trying to put more fish in the system,cleaning up streams etc ,while the DFO ‘studies ‘ it ? This whole debacle didn’t happen over night,it’s been DECADES in the making...here’s an interesting thought for you-if the orcas eat Chinook,which are declining in size, then it takes TWO 20 lb Chinook to equal ONE 40 lb Chinook....resulting in TWICE as many salmon that will never live to spawn because of size alone.When was the last time you saw a 60 lb tyee? ..in a picture,maybe? Whats happening is the decline in numbers is now escalating expodentialy as the runs collapse .
Mergansers are huge. seals sea lions...... there are all kinds of predators out there.... mink, otters.... Some need to be balanced.... and sure maybe a kill fishery on bulls would help. It could be a great ticket for Fisherperson Recruitment as well.
We need Fisheries to actually be responsible for the science of it as well as the implementer of a proper fix.... Swim surveys on that river would be simple.... and are most likely done already.
Quick example on how Sports fisherman hurt our fish....
fishing Kelt Steelhead. I have met over my life many people who fish Kelts on a sensitive system, usually getting good numbers... and they think they are cool for catching a lot of fish.... The mortality rate on these fish is huge...
are all sports fishers bad because of this? no.... piles of Steel come off the Stamp every season.... it is in trouble now.... yet Down Island the Cowichan which has no hatchery fish is doing ok...
I know this is about Chinook and I just talked about Steelhead but the theory is the same... We all take ours... we need to drop it and go against the City and Government....
to add to your thought here......
The SRK's most only feed on 20lb plus fish...... only recently has hatcheries started to put large fish with large fish and smalls with smalls when breeding..... the fish we created before we knew this was a cookie cutter 20lber
I just got a book on the Campbell River tyee fishing...will we EVER see fish like that again? An old guy I used to know( dead now) was a seiner man,told.me about the huge springs they would get up rivers inlet way..60-.80- 100 lb fish...
if we get our shit together we will.... The Campbell river is the river that was the proving ground to the new idea of making big fish, and they have seen a difference..... The "Science" is there...